Couple of non-human questions.

Can an aspiring Emperor/Empress use non-humans as champions in the Kolumejálim?

Has any Imperial offspring ever been raised by non-humans?

Also, do any armies on Tekumel use anything like plumbata/lawn darts? My son saw a thing about Jarts on a "Famous Dangerous Toys" youtube video and asked me about them, which prompted a discussion about Roman troops that used them, after describing the wildly dangerous ways my brothers and I "played" with them when we were kids. He plans on having his character carry 5 on the inside of his shield in Roman fashion.

Quote from: Greentongue;945911Matter of opinion I suppose.
With so few sites that have EPT content, I felt it was worth joining and try to keep it "alive".
Mostly just to show a pulse, for anyone looking.
I figured that OD&D people might remember it and/or be likely to have interest.
My style is in the OD&D mindset and I'm trying to "relive" those original games, somewhat.
While everything has moved one since then, reenacting doesn't hurt. IMHO.
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Oh, all right; understood.

I'm still bemused that we're where we are in this thread; I never would have guessed it, myself...

Quote from: AsenRG;945992Well, some PCs have almost done more outrageous things...


Admittedly, these days "lesbians are alien and persecuted" is going to convey "you're not in Kansas anymore, Dor'othy hi Tlankotel" more efficiently, for most people;).
But the fact is, Tekumeli would have most issues with queer people, because how dare they dressing inappropriately to their station? (Unless they're into one of the orders who practice assassination and disguise, I guess).
Fun question, Uncle - there's a temple with predominantly lesbian priestesses, and another with predominantly bi priests and priestesses. Is there a temple that gay priests would be naturally drawn to;)?

True, true...

Ah, I'm not getting this; the people we met in Phil's games had no issues with LBGTQ people - admittedly, in the matriarchy of Yan Kor the clan ladies would laugh at gay men, but that's about it - and they don't dress any differently then any one else, at least in the way Phil ran his world. Am I missing something?

No, not really.

Quote from: Big Andy;946021Couple of non-human questions.

Can an aspiring Emperor/Empress use non-humans as champions in the Kolumejálim?

Has any Imperial offspring ever been raised by non-humans?

Also, do any armies on Tekumel use anything like plumbata/lawn darts? My son saw a thing about Jarts on a "Famous Dangerous Toys" youtube video and asked me about them, which prompted a discussion about Roman troops that used them, after describing the wildly dangerous ways my brothers and I "played" with them when we were kids. He plans on having his character carry 5 on the inside of his shield in Roman fashion.

Not that I'm aware of; I'll go back and listen to the interview we have with Phil on tape to make sure, but as far as I know, no.

Not that I am aware of; it never came up in-game, and as far as I know it's not in any of the texts.

Probably; I'd have to go back and look through all the units in the army lists to see who. I can think of one Tsolyani legion that certainly would, if they found out about them, and I think I recall 'darts' being mentioned as being used by skirmishers of various kinds. I'll have a look...

Chirine,

Just wondering, how do clans like the Tlakotani, Vriddi, and Ito trace lineages? Are there specific forms of address or clan titles which indicate status and pedigree within the respective clans?

Shemek

Quote from: chirine ba kal;946076True, true...

What, in your games, too:D?

QuoteAh, I'm not getting this; the people we met in Phil's games had no issues with LBGTQ people - admittedly, in the matriarchy of Yan Kor the clan ladies would laugh at gay men, but that's about it - and they don't dress any differently then any one else, at least in the way Phil ran his world. Am I missing something?

I think you're missing the fact that this was a comment on the way our world has changed, not Tekumel... I was thinking about the reaction to settings that have kept the anti-LGBTQ discrimination as part of their societies, and I think they definitely are giving a "no more in Kansas" vibe to people today.

As for the comment about "queer", I was thinking about people who dress in the clothing of the other gender. I can see how that would be the worst problem on Tekumel, given the insistence on proper clothing.

QuoteNo, not really.

Too bad, I'd have to default to Karakan and/or Vimuhla, then;)!

Quote from: Shemek hiTankolel;946233Chirine,

Just wondering, how do clans like the Tlakotani, Vriddi, and Ito trace lineages? Are there specific forms of address or clan titles which indicate status and pedigree within the respective clans?

Shemek

Yes, very much so. The lineages are traced through both parents, in all directions, so it does get pretty complex. Generally, the specific lineage is often the most 'noble' and 'senior' one that the person can trace, but not always. Ito are pretty stock and standard, in their North and South factions; the Tlakotani have the 'regular' and 'imperial' lineages; the Vriddi are very different and more complex, with both ancient Nlyuss and modern Tsolyani lineages; they tend to have elaborate lists in order to keep them straight. To be 'a Vriddi of the Vriddi' is to be of the oldest and most noble of their lineages.

I don't know if Phil included these terms in the Tsolyani language books, but I'll look after I'm finished with the convention show.

Quote from: AsenRG;946271What, in your games, too:D?


I think you're missing the fact that this was a comment on the way our world has changed, not Tekumel... I was thinking about the reaction to settings that have kept the anti-LGBTQ discrimination as part of their societies, and I think they definitely are giving a "no more in Kansas" vibe to people today.

As for the comment about "queer", I was thinking about people who dress in the clothing of the other gender. I can see how that would be the worst problem on Tekumel, given the insistence on proper clothing.


Too bad, I'd have to default to Karakan and/or Vimuhla, then;)!

Yep...

Oh, right, gotcha! Thank you for the clarification!

And here's the Friday display:

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Quote from: chirine ba kal;946325Yes, very much so. The lineages are traced through both parents, in all directions, so it does get pretty complex. Generally, the specific lineage is often the most 'noble' and 'senior' one that the person can trace, but not always. Ito are pretty stock and standard, in their North and South factions; the Tlakotani have the 'regular' and 'imperial' lineages; the Vriddi are very different and more complex, with both ancient Nlyuss and modern Tsolyani lineages; they tend to have elaborate lists in order to keep them straight. To be 'a Vriddi of the Vriddi' is to be of the oldest and most noble of their lineages.

I don't know if Phil included these terms in the Tsolyani language books, but I'll look after I'm finished with the convention show.

Thanks for the reply, but I'm still kind of confused:confused: I always thought that all members of the above mentioned clans went only by the clan name ...hiTlakotani, hiVriddi, hiIto.  
If, for example, my character were named Serqu hiVriddi, would he be a "Vriddi of the Vriddi?" And if he were named Serqu hiVu'unavu would he introduce himself as such, and add " of the Vriddi Clan" (Serqu hiVu'unavu, hiVriddi), or would it be understood by all that he was a Vriddi based upon the fact that the lineage is known to be associated with the clan?

Shemek

Quote from: Shemek hiTankolel;946333Thanks for the reply, but I'm still kind of confused:confused: I always thought that all members of the above mentioned clans went only by the clan name ...hiTlakotani, hiVriddi, hiIto.  
If, for example, my character were named Serqu hiVriddi, would he be a "Vriddi of the Vriddi?" And if he were named Serqu hiVu’unavu would he introduce himself as such, and add " of the Vriddi Clan" (Serqu hiVu’unavu, hiVriddi), or would it be understood by all that he was a Vriddi based upon the fact that the lineage is known to be associated with the clan?

Shemek

Actually, you're not confused. Normally, the first time you'd meet somebody they would be introduced by their name, their lineage, and their clan - often with where they are from. So, your man would be introduced to me either as Serqu hi Vriddi of the Vriddi clan of Fasiltum, which tells me (or my majordomo) that this guy is a very high status person - especially if he's got the famous Vriddi hawk-nose. He's a Vriddi of the Vriddi, and he'd also be wearing his clan glyphs and have a pretty arrogant attitude. Of, he'd be introduced as Serqu hi Vu'unavu, of the Vriddi clan of Butrus, and I'd know instantly that this is the western branch of the clan ands that this guy is descended from some Mu'uglavyani who married into the central clan at some point in the long and turbulent history of the clan. Again, he'd be wearing his clan glyphs, and we'd get all this information the first time we'd met.

Likewise, I would give the same information for myself, and we'd both know what our social relationship was instantly from all that.

Does any of this help?

Saturday and Sunday's display, with a slight change of scene to help Registration out:

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Quote from: chirine ba kal;946424Actually, you're not confused. Normally, the first time you'd meet somebody they would be introduced by their name, their lineage, and their clan - often with where they are from. So, your man would be introduced to me either as Serqu hi Vriddi of the Vriddi clan of Fasiltum, which tells me (or my majordomo) that this guy is a very high status person - especially if he's got the famous Vriddi hawk-nose. He's a Vriddi of the Vriddi, and he'd also be wearing his clan glyphs and have a pretty arrogant attitude. Of, he'd be introduced as Serqu hi Vu'unavu, of the Vriddi clan of Butrus, and I'd know instantly that this is the western branch of the clan ands that this guy is descended from some Mu'uglavyani who married into the central clan at some point in the long and turbulent history of the clan. Again, he'd be wearing his clan glyphs, and we'd get all this information the first time we'd met.

Likewise, I would give the same information for myself, and we'd both know what our social relationship was instantly from all that.

Does any of this help?

Ok, I get it now. Up until quite recently I had thought that there were no distinct lineages in the Tlakotani, Vriddi and Ito, that everyone was "just" ...hi Vriddi,   or ...hi Tlakotani, etc., and that distinct inter-clan lineages were "just known" by the insiders and not distinctly identified by name. The Tekumel.com website identifies two Fasiltum/Vriddi lineages: the Vravodaya, and the Vu'unavu. It was the discovery of these that got me wondering about the whole Vriddi lineages thing.

Thanks again for clarifying this point!:)

Shemek

The name Vravodaya makes me think of someone who gives you rope...
Did the Vriddi ancestors give rope to their enemies so they'd hang themselves, I wonder?

Quote from: chirine ba kal;946326Yep...

It's a trend, Uncle, I'm telling you;)!

Quote from: Shemek hiTankolel;946445Ok, I get it now. Up until quite recently I had thought that there were no distinct lineages in the Tlakotani, Vriddi and Ito, that everyone was "just" ...hi Vriddi,   or ...hi Tlakotani, etc., and that distinct inter-clan lineages were "just known" by the insiders and not distinctly identified by name. The Tekumel.com website identifies two Fasiltum/Vriddi lineages: the Vravodaya, and the Vu’unavu. It was the discovery of these that got me wondering about the whole Vriddi lineages thing.

Thanks again for clarifying this point!:)

Shemek

You are most welcome! Happy to help! If you have a look at the Tekumel group over on Yahoo, Alva Hardison has built up a huge database of names, lineages, and clans from all the Tekumel sources; it's very, very useful!