Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;945547Or as somebody else said around here somewhere, "The 14th Century, like Game of Thrones without the warm and cuddly parts."

And yes, I very much wish I'd thought of collectable card games.  Hate them as a gamer, love them as marketing.  Uncle Chirine and I would have retired to some balmy tropical isle with our respective families by now.  "Peel me a grape, would you, Kyalein?"

Agreed!

And the whole 'collectable' marketing thing leaves me cold. Like the PPP figures from WotC; they were really delighted with the sales, until somebody in the office compared retail and wholesale; turned out that the biggest buyers of the figures were not gamers, but resellers who'd buy up huge piles of figures and then break up the randomized 'collector packs' and sell the individual figures to games - just like the miniatures hobby had been doing for decades, quite successfully.

Sigh. Ain't no new ways to make a wheel...

From AsenRG:
Yeah, and even those that didn't even get to the Holy Lands managed to distinguish themselves...in the wrong way:).

That's the truth. They were some of the least polite people I can think of. Most gamers have no idea who Eleanor of Aquitane was, and why she got kicked out of the Crusade she was supposed to be part of. Give how her later career and family life went, I'm not surprised that Louis sent her packing...

Keep us updated about what happens, Uncle!

I will; it'll be a romp, for sure.

You really live in a weird place, Uncle. And I don't mean Tekumel, that part I can understand much more easily...
(Being a snob in Tekumel makes sense, it identifies you as someone who can afford it. Being a snob in 21st century USA makes much less sense to me. But that attitude towards "name" commercial artists is nothing if not snobbish...)

There's always been a certain dynamic tension between miniatures gamers who actually use figures on the table and the figure collectors who keep their miniatures in the display case. It's like the dichotomy in model railways between 'collectors' and 'operators'; I am one of the latter, and regarded with some bewilderment and distrust by the former. (O'course, I'm also considered odd by Yankee model railroaders, 'cause I model God's Wonderful Railway in OO - heck, even some of my fellow modelers in my club think I'm daft, but then they are all LMS and LNER types.)

That's a good one:D!

Yep. Quite the truth.

Yeah, I can see how the world would have been a better place for it;).

The gaming hobby would have been very different, that's for sure...

Quote from: chirine ba kal;945682Most gamers have no idea who Eleanor of Aquitane was, and why she got kicked out of the Crusade she was supposed to be part of.

"But the troops were dazzled!"

Quote from: chirine ba kal;945682There's always been a certain dynamic tension between miniatures gamers who actually use figures on the table and the figure collectors who keep their miniatures in the display case.

Collectors always struck me as a bit of an odd duck.  "Here's the rubber JFK wore when he screwed Marilyn Monroe!"  Well, yeah, but here's the rubber I wore when I screwed Marilyn Monroe...

Quote from: chirine ba kal;945682I model God's Wonderful Railway in OO

* toasts Isambard Kingdom Brunel *

Quote from: Hrugga;945446I tried a long time ago to register there and it didn't work.

FYI: "Registration open. It was a SPAM thing"

Quote from: Hrugga;945446it seems a bit more alive here.

Yes, surprisingly so.
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Here's one that I've noticed a few times over the course of the thread and which has left me confused.

In a couple places I'm seeing mentions of wives that are Priestesses of Dilinala, but in Mitlanyal and IIRC S&G it says said priestesses of Dilinala can't marry (Though can transfer to the priesthood of Avanthe if they do, in one of the rare cases changing god is routine and easy for a priest), indeed, even goes so far as saying they don't even engage in sexual acts with men.  Was this, perhaps, a later evolution of things?  Or something that's a bit more complicated than it seems.

Quote from: chirine ba kal;945682From AsenRG:
Yeah, and even those that didn't even get to the Holy Lands managed to distinguish themselves...in the wrong way:).

That's the truth. They were some of the least polite people I can think of. Most gamers have no idea who Eleanor of Aquitane was, and why she got kicked out of the Crusade she was supposed to be part of. Give how her later career and family life went, I'm not surprised that Louis sent her packing...

You mean, the mother of Lionheart? "In a world where carpenters get resurrected, everything is possible".

QuoteKeep us updated about what happens, Uncle!

I will; it'll be a romp, for sure.

That much I'd take for granted.

QuoteYou really live in a weird place, Uncle. And I don't mean Tekumel, that part I can understand much more easily...
(Being a snob in Tekumel makes sense, it identifies you as someone who can afford it. Being a snob in 21st century USA makes much less sense to me. But that attitude towards "name" commercial artists is nothing if not snobbish...)

There's always been a certain dynamic tension between miniatures gamers who actually use figures on the table and the figure collectors who keep their miniatures in the display case. It's like the dichotomy in model railways between 'collectors' and 'operators'; I am one of the latter, and regarded with some bewilderment and distrust by the former. (O'course, I'm also considered odd by Yankee model railroaders, 'cause I model God's Wonderful Railway in OO - heck, even some of my fellow modelers in my club think I'm daft, but then they are all LMS and LNER types.)

Oh yeah, the collectors...
I'd rather stop here before I say something I might be sorry about some day, Uncle. So, no other comments on that one, not from me!

QuoteYeah, I can see how the world would have been a better place for it;).

The gaming hobby would have been very different, that's for sure...

Well, the gaming hobby is part of the world, and one can even argue we have influenced it.
Without us, there would be no MMORPG. Without them, how would millions of people be wasting their youth:p?

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;945696"But the troops were dazzled!"

Yeah, the bare-breasted maids riding like Amazons sure must have been a dazzling sight;)!

QuoteCollectors always struck me as a bit of an odd duck.  "Here's the rubber JFK wore when he screwed Marilyn Monroe!"  Well, yeah, but here's the rubber I wore when I screwed Marilyn Monroe...

Now, that story sure would make your book a success, Glorious General:D!

Quote from: Greentongue;945760FYI: "Registration open. It was a SPAM thing"


Yes, surprisingly so.
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That being said, is it worth it to sign up...?

H:0)

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;945696"But the troops were dazzled!"

Collectors always struck me as a bit of an odd duck.  "Here's the rubber JFK wore when he screwed Marilyn Monroe!"  Well, yeah, but here's the rubber I wore when I screwed Marilyn Monroe...

* toasts Isambard Kingdom Brunel *

And we have another really major understatement, there!

Yep. And I've gotten tired of them dropping by to appraise my basement, too. Getting to the point where I'm counting the silverware...

Hear! Hear! Any engineer who thinks of himself as the equal to Rameses the Great, and manages to pull the project off, is truly awe inspiring. A man who can design and build a special tool to remove a gold sovereign that's lodged in his own win

Quote from: Greentongue;945760FYI: "Registration open. It was a SPAM thing"


Yes, surprisingly so.
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Interesting; I wonder why? Seriously, actually; not trying to be funny or anything...

Quote from: AsenRG;945845You mean, the mother of Lionheart? "In a world where carpenters get resurrected, everything is possible".

Yeah, the bare-breasted maids riding like Amazons sure must have been a dazzling sight;)!

Yes, that's her! You can't make this kind of thing up - history is quite often very much odder and funnier then fiction...

Quote from: Hrugga;945878That being said, is it worth it to sign up...?

H:0)

Same question, here; I dropped off due to time and energy constraints, myself.

Quote from: Dulahan;945796Here's one that I've noticed a few times over the course of the thread and which has left me confused.

In a couple places I'm seeing mentions of wives that are Priestesses of Dilinala, but in Mitlanyal and IIRC S&G it says said priestesses of Dilinala can't marry (Though can transfer to the priesthood of Avanthe if they do, in one of the rare cases changing god is routine and easy for a priest), indeed, even goes so far as saying they don't even engage in sexual acts with men.  Was this, perhaps, a later evolution of things?  Or something that's a bit more complicated than it seems.

It's something a bit more complicated then it seems. Just like any human society, really.

No, worshippers of Dilinala don't 'marry' males; the Temple is all about "Woman for woman alone", as is mentioned in all of the source materials. Generally, they are often/usually lesbians, but that's an oversimplification; if somebody in the temple wants to marry / have kids, they transfer over to the Temple of Avanthe for a while. So, you do have ranking Priestesses of the goddess with families; men may or may not be included, depending on the way the relationships are set up and what the clans involved have to say about things like property and legacies.

This was there in EPT, from the beginning; it was one of the way's that Phil told us that we were not in Kansas, anymore. Keep in mind that lesbians were rare and relatively alien back in 1976; these days, LGBTQ PCs and players are neither. (I've had both, in my campaigns.) The people who live on Tekumel don't really much care about this subject as the source materials indicate, and as long as the right people are appeased, anything is possible. As Phil used to say, "File your paperwork with the Imperium, and nobody will care."

As for wives, Lord Chirine's fifth wife - who has the title 'Second Concubine' -  is a Priestess of Dilinala. In order to be in our family, she 'pays dues' to both Avanthe and Dilinala. (For the record, it's - in order of seniority - Mretten, Ksarul, Lost One of the Sea, Kirrineb, and Dilinala for Their Ladyships and Vimuhla for His Lordship.) Tekumel is not modern America, and they don't subscribe to American ways of looking at things or mores or morals.

Quote from: chirine ba kal;945893Same question, here;

Matter of opinion I suppose.
With so few sites that have EPT content, I felt it was worth joining and try to keep it "alive".
Mostly just to show a pulse, for anyone looking.
I figured that OD&D people might remember it and/or be likely to have interest.
My style is in the OD&D mindset and I'm trying to "relive" those original games, somewhat.
While everything has moved one since then, reenacting doesn't hurt. IMHO.
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Quote from: chirine ba kal;945890Interesting; I wonder why? Seriously, actually; not trying to be funny or anything...

Like the dancing of dust in a sunbeam. While the dust seems small and insignificant, it can be fascinating.
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Quote from: chirine ba kal;945892Yes, that's her! You can't make this kind of thing up - history is quite often very much odder and funnier then fiction...

Well, some PCs have almost done more outrageous things...

Quote from: chirine ba kal;945909It's something a bit more complicated then it seems. Just like any human society, really.

No, worshippers of Dilinala don't 'marry' males; the Temple is all about "Woman for woman alone", as is mentioned in all of the source materials. Generally, they are often/usually lesbians, but that's an oversimplification; if somebody in the temple wants to marry / have kids, they transfer over to the Temple of Avanthe for a while. So, you do have ranking Priestesses of the goddess with families; men may or may not be included, depending on the way the relationships are set up and what the clans involved have to say about things like property and legacies.

This was there in EPT, from the beginning; it was one of the way's that Phil told us that we were not in Kansas, anymore. Keep in mind that lesbians were rare and relatively alien back in 1976; these days, LGBTQ PCs and players are neither. (I've had both, in my campaigns.) The people who live on Tekumel don't really much care about this subject as the source materials indicate, and as long as the right people are appeased, anything is possible. As Phil used to say, "File your paperwork with the Imperium, and nobody will care."

Admittedly, these days "lesbians are alien and persecuted" is going to convey "you're not in Kansas anymore, Dor'othy hi Tlankotel" more efficiently, for most people;).
But the fact is, Tekumeli would have most issues with queer people, because how dare they dressing inappropriately to their station? (Unless they're into one of the orders who practice assassination and disguise, I guess).
Fun question, Uncle - there's a temple with predominantly lesbian priestesses, and another with predominantly bi priests and priestesses. Is there a temple that gay priests would be naturally drawn to;)?