Quote from: Zirunel;962253I'm not from the U.S. myself, but I have a feeling some of those attitudes actually are American, and much less prevalent in Europe, or even in the rest of the Anglo world. Could be wrong about that, but the religious fundamentalist contingent seems to hold a sway there that they don't in most other western countries

Quote from: AsenRG;962249In my case, it's because Zenobia Aegypt has a remarkable similar system to BoL anyway (except Zenobia is even simpler in most regards), and it is already geared towards a historical Egyptian setting;). The same goes for the other two games I'd recommended, too.
OTOH, BoL, at least as written, is totally unsuitable for a Tekumel game where the fun is being part of the society, since even the XP system assumes wandering adventurers, just like OD&D's XP system assumes dungeoncrawling teams:D!

Quote from: Zirunel;962253So I remember back in the 70s when D&D became a thing, and the historical minis manufacturers suddenly "discovered" fantasy. There were some figure sets that came out that, quite frankly, even as a tween, I found to be prurient and rather embarrassing. The bondage and torture chamber themes in particular made their appearance in a big way and to me seemed juvenile and, well, icky. So in theory I can imagine passing judgement on minis, because I did it myself once. But mere nudity/semi-nudity? I can't quite put myself in a place where that would be a big deal. I guess a visit to the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the British Museum, the Prado, Louvre, what have you, would be out of the question for these people.

I'm not from the U.S. myself, but I have a feeling some of those attitudes actually are American, and much less prevalent in Europe, or even in the rest of the Anglo world. Could be wrong about that, but the religious fundamentalist contingent seems to hold a sway there that they don't in most other western countries

Quote from: Zirunel;962253So I remember back in the 70s when D&D became a thing, and the historical minis manufacturers suddenly "discovered" fantasy. There were some figure sets that came out that, quite frankly, even as a tween, I found to be prurient and rather embarrassing. The bondage and torture chamber themes in particular made their appearance in a big way and to me seemed juvenile and, well, icky. So in theory I can imagine passing judgement on minis, because I did it myself once. But mere nudity/semi-nudity? I can't quite put myself in a place where that would be a big deal. I guess a visit to the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the British Museum, the Prado, Louvre, what have you, would be out of the question for these people.

I'm not from the U.S. myself, but I have a feeling some of those attitudes actually are American, and much less prevalent in Europe, or even in the rest of the Anglo world. Could be wrong about that, but the religious fundamentalist contingent seems to hold a sway there that they don't in most other western countries

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;962261The US was founded largely by Puritans who left England because they weren't allowed to be assholes to people who went to church and said different words from them.

That influence still runs deep.

Quote from: David Johansen;962269I've occasionally wondered if the censorship brigade jumped to feminism because the Born Again Christians were too rational and tame for them.  Even so, I'm convinced that it's really the same people it's always been and they're just flying a new flag for maximum coverage.  Sadly, if you believe these things are cyclical, we're due for a swing in that direction.

Quote from: AsenRG;962249OTOH, BoL, at least as written, ...

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;962261The US was founded largely by Puritans who left England because they weren't allowed to be assholes to people who went to church and said different words from them.

That influence still runs deep.

Quote from: David Johansen;962269I've occasionally wondered if the censorship brigade jumped to feminism because the Born Again Christians were too rational and tame for them.  Even so, I'm convinced that it's really the same people it's always been and they're just flying a new flag for maximum coverage.  Sadly, if you believe these things are cyclical, we're due for a swing in that direction.

Quote from: chirine ba kal;962281I'll have a look! Thanks!

Quote from: David Johansen;962288Alternative Armies still has a very similar torture chamber set in production.  I think that side of things will always be there.  There will always be a market for it.

Quote from: chirine ba kal;962208The Amarna wall paintings are offensive, ERB is offensive, Frank Frazetta is offensive, and the list goes on and on and on. It baffles me, it really does, but then I've been told that I'm "not socially aware" and "out of touch with the political realities of the hobby".

Quote from: chirine ba kal;962242Official fair warning notice! An Eeeeevil Plot looms!

Over on the AoI Q&A thread, I've had the notion that it might be funny to ship Gronan in for the Free RPG Day. The cost is not all that bed - cheaper then my going to a convention - and the resulting laughs would be right up there with some of our best moments in gaming. People say the the two of us riffing off each other is truly something to see, and it might be fun to salt the table with a few ringers. We shall see...

Quote from: Zirunel;962299It would seem to take a pretty low threshold of offense to make the Amarna style offensive. Compare that to precolumbian Moche ceramics from the north coast of Peru, some of which, in the Museo Larco in Lima, are in a separate "adults-only" gallery, or even some of the Attic redware from Greece which can be....well, "frank."

But speaking of Frank, is Frazetta really considered offensive nowadays?

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;962301Remember the time we foiled Victor's invasion of some planet with nothing more than a telephone system?