Quote from: chirine ba kal;1039333As fast as we damn well could, too.

Amen.

Frankly, I consider my grasping for the objective one of my great moments of tactical genius.  Don't let the enemy dictate your tactics.

In light of recent discussions, thought you folks might enjoy reading these posts I saw today (if you haven't seen them already). Basically two opposing points of view, guess which I align with?

https://www.anthonyhuso.net/blog-1/teaching-old-dogs-new-tricks

http://taking10.blogspot.com/2018/05/trust-at-table-or-why-i-like-games-with.html

Quote from: chirine ba kal;1039329Good advice, but I simply don't game with people like that any more, nor do I go to events where they can be found.

Yes. There is a huge difference between games like Chainmail and Warhammer. the one tries to be a simulation, the other is a marketing tool.

Well, I'm sure the Glorious General is sorry he didn't think of that business model:)!
But I also prefer stuff where tactics matter more than having a Superhero or equivalent at your side.

Quote from: Baron;1039343In light of recent discussions, thought you folks might enjoy reading these posts I saw today (if you haven't seen them already). Basically two opposing points of view, guess which I align with?

https://www.anthonyhuso.net/blog-1/teaching-old-dogs-new-tricks

http://taking10.blogspot.com/2018/05/trust-at-table-or-why-i-like-games-with.html

I'd guess you side with the former, but that's just a hunch;).

Only 200K views of the thread.  
Must be doing something right.
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Quote from: Greentongue;1039451Only 200K views of the thread.  
Must be doing something right.
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Could be, could be...

Me, I'm still baffled and astonished by this.

Well, it is interesting to have a window to the past.
To hear what it was like back at the start of this hobby (and setting), how it has changed, when it changed and maybe why.  

Being able to articulate the context of those early gaming days. Pointing out that the sources drawn on were different.
That the attitude was different, even if people were basically still people, and how that shaped the direction of gaming.

Even detailing what still holds your interest after all these years. All things that are not available just anywhere.

Also, a little bit about that strange setting called EPT.
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Quote from: Greentongue;1039712Well, it is interesting to have a window to the past.
To hear what it was like back at the start of this hobby (and setting), how it has changed, when it changed and maybe why.  

Being able to articulate the context of those early gaming days. Pointing out that the sources drawn on were different.
That the attitude was different, even if people were basically still people, and how that shaped the direction of gaming.

Even detailing what still holds your interest after all these years. All things that are not available just anywhere.

Also, a little bit about that strange setting called EPT.
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Ah, right; I think I get it. I'll try not to be boring...

I don't think you could be boring if you tried.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1039790I don't think you could be boring if you tried.

So you might think. I'm just tired of getting kicked for what I like and do in my gaming. It's gotten old.

Well, as if getting my ass chewed yesterday wasn't bad enough, I also found out that the One And Only Tinaliya in Phil's campaign, Dave Romm, passed away unexpectedly and unremarked last September. He and I may not have agreed on a lot of things, but I will miss the guy; Phil was never, ever able to get him to break character.

Quote from: chirine ba kal;1039961Well, as if getting my ass chewed yesterday wasn't bad enough, I also found out that the One And Only Tinaliya in Phil's campaign, Dave Romm, passed away unexpectedly and unremarked last September. He and I may not have agreed on a lot of things, but I will miss the guy; Phil was never, ever able to get him to break character.

That's too bad. May he rest in peace. Wondering about his character and exploits. Could you tell us a bit in his honor?

Thanks,

H:0)

Quote from: Hrugga;1039962That's too bad. May he rest in peace. Wondering about his character and exploits. Could you tell us a bit in his honor?

Thanks,

H:0)

What makes it worse, for me anyway, was that he seems to have passed away on Sept. 7th, and nobody noticed for a week. He was finally found on the 14th, I gather. Says something about what local fandom has become, in my biased opinion; when something like this happens, or like Will Shetterly and Emma Bull being banned from the convention that they founded, then what used to be a community has become something else.

Anyway...

Dave wanted to play a Tinaliya, and Phil thought it would be funny if he did. So, he got added to our party, and the fun began. We all treated him like he was one, and he was - he was perfect, all the time. He read everything about the little folk that Phil had, and took off at a dead run with it. He never broke character while he was at the table, and played a Tinalya perfectly. We'd refer 'technological' problems to him, as per usual Tsolyani practice, and he'd come up with an answer that made perfect sense in Tekumel terms and which would catch Phil completely off guard; Dave had read L. Sprague De Camp's book on ancient and medieval engineering, and had it all down cold. Phil had to really scramble to catch up, and it was a joy to watch.

The Tinaliya was also very polite and helpful, but you alway knew that he was just that little bit smug and superior for simply being a Tinaliya - he was helping the humans out of their latest predicament because he was a noble being, but also to show off a little bit that they were just that little bit better then we humans were. Both Kathy and Ken picked up on this in their artwork - Dave was the one who come up with the natty weskits with their pockets full of tools and serving as a form of padded cloth armor, which has stayed with us ever since.

He will be playing a major part in TSTPT, in books 5 and 6; there is some of that already, but there will be a lot more to come. He was the one who coined the Tinaliya motto: "Solutions, in search of problems."

Please see also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ancient_Engineers

Quote from: chirine ba kal;1039967or like Will Shetterly and Emma Bull being banned from the convention that they founded,

Buh?

Quote from: chirine ba kal;1039967What makes it worse, for me anyway, was that he seems to have passed away on Sept. 7th, and nobody noticed for a week. He was finally found on the 14th, I gather. Says something about what local fandom has become, in my biased opinion; when something like this happens, or like Will Shetterly and Emma Bull being banned from the convention that they founded, then what used to be a community has become something else.

Anyway...

Dave wanted to play a Tinaliya, and Phil thought it would be funny if he did. So, he got added to our party, and the fun began. We all treated him like he was one, and he was - he was perfect, all the time. He read everything about the little folk that Phil had, and took off at a dead run with it. He never broke character while he was at the table, and played a Tinalya perfectly. We'd refer 'technological' problems to him, as per usual Tsolyani practice, and he'd come up with an answer that made perfect sense in Tekumel terms and which would catch Phil completely off guard; Dave had read L. Sprague De Camp's book on ancient and medieval engineering, and had it all down cold. Phil had to really scramble to catch up, and it was a joy to watch.

The Tinaliya was also very polite and helpful, but you alway knew that he was just that little bit smug and superior for simply being a Tinaliya - he was helping the humans out of their latest predicament because he was a noble being, but also to show off a little bit that they were just that little bit better then we humans were. Both Kathy and Ken picked up on this in their artwork - Dave was the one who come up with the natty weskits with their pockets full of tools and serving as a form of padded cloth armor, which has stayed with us ever since.

He will be playing a major part in TSTPT, in books 5 and 6; there is some of that already, but there will be a lot more to come. He was the one who coined the Tinaliya motto: "Solutions, in search of problems."

Please see also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ancient_Engineers

Fantastic. Thank you. Was he the only non-human? One last thing, what was the little guy's name?

H:0)

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1039968Buh?

Last year, from Fourth Street Fantasy; somebody complained about Will, he asked what was going on, and the concom banned him and Emma permanently. Steve Brust tried to address the issue in his speech at opening ceremonies, and got shut down by the Safety Director. I found out about this in the middle of the past week, entirely by accident, and have been trying to piece it together since. Looks like new people on the concom having a personal grudge against the old fogies, as near as I can tell.

One more reason why I stay away from fandom; every time I start to feel all ecumenical, something like this pops up.