Question about Tri-Stat

flyingmice · November 17, 2008, 12:56:30 PM

Hi Guys!

I picked up SAS for Tri-Stat at the last GenCon, and finally opened it the other day. I've never even looked at TriStat before, but I noticed they have a Health stat which is derived from multiplying certain stats by a constant, and which has break points at 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, and full. This is very much like my own StarCluster system, and I'm curious when this particular concept came out. I know 1st Ed BESM came out in 1997, and 2nd in 2000, but was this Health stat derived the same way then? It seems to be a curious case of parallel evolution.

Thanks!

-clash

The Yann Waters · November 17, 2008, 01:05:18 PM

Well, I do know that in Sailor Moon RPG, Health Points were simply equal to (Body + Soul) x 5, and that the system was supposed to be completely compatible with BESM 1e.

Drohem · November 17, 2008, 01:06:21 PM

Quote from: flyingmice;267307Hi Guys!

I picked up SAS for Tri-Stat at the last GenCon, and finally opened it the other day. I've never even looked at TriStat before, but I noticed they have a Health stat which is derived from multiplying certain stats by a constant, and which has break points at 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, and full. This is very much like my own StarCluster system, and I'm curious when this particular concept came out. I know 1st Ed BESM came out in 1997, and 2nd in 2000, but was this Health stat derived the same way then? It seems to be a curious case of parallel evolution.

Thanks!

-clash

Yes, it was in the 1st and 2nd editions.

Health Points = Body + Soul x 5

flyingmice · November 17, 2008, 01:09:00 PM

Quote from: Drohem;267314Yes, it was in the 1st and 2nd editions.

Health Points = Body + Soul x 5

Thanks GG and Drohem!

Cool! Did they have the breakpoints like in SAS?

Parallel evolution in systems fascinates me!

-clash

Drohem · November 17, 2008, 01:34:13 PM

Quote from: flyingmice;267317Cool! Did they have the breakpoints like in SAS?

No, the breakpoint percentages weren't in the 1st and 2nd editions. Although, they are included in Tri Stat dX.

flyingmice · November 17, 2008, 01:38:22 PM

Quote from: Drohem;267330No, the breakpoint percentages weren't in the 1st and 2nd editions. Although, they are included in Tri Stat dX.

Thanks! I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I'm a systems junkie, but my knowledge of Tri-Stat is near zero.

-clash

Drohem · November 17, 2008, 01:46:52 PM

My pleasure, I'm glad I could be of assistance.

Silverlion · November 17, 2008, 04:47:09 PM

I know that the "Damage" system where you got 25/50/75/100 percent of damage is quite similar to that drawn from Providence. (As that's the system it uses for variation in quality hits.) It doesn't use health that way however...

The Yann Waters · November 17, 2008, 05:28:59 PM

Quote from: Silverlion;267399I know that the "Damage" system where you got 25/50/75/100 percent of damage is quite similar to that drawn from Providence.

Come to think of it, that's also how damage works in Praedor, which was originally published back in 2000. That is, a character's total "Blood" (essentially HP) amounts to 7-15 (as determined by their Health attribute) multiplied by four, and losing each quarter of that will then incur further penalties. Someone with average Health would all in all have 40 (10 x 4) points of Blood, in other words, while the lowest possible Health yields 28 and the highest 60 points. Certain advantages and disadvantages can affect the final score, and so can raising attributes with XP or losing points from them for instance due to aging; but apart from that, your maximum Blood remains the same for as long as you live.

flyingmice · November 17, 2008, 07:42:21 PM

Quote from: GrimGent;267419Come to think of it, that's also how damage works in Praedor, which was originally published back in 2000. That is, a character's total "Blood" (essentially HP) amounts to 7-15 (as determined by their Health attribute) multiplied by four, and losing each quarter of that will then incur further penalties. Someone with average Health would all in all have 40 (10 x 4) points of Blood, in other words, while the lowest possible Health yields 28 and the highest 60 points. Certain advantages and disadvantages can affect the final score, and so can raising attributes with XP or losing points from them for instance due to aging; but apart from that, your maximum Blood remains the same for as long as you live.

Wicked! It must have been something in the air back then - StarCluster 1e was published in 2002, though I'd been working on it since 1997, and dx was published in 2003.

-clash

David Johansen · November 17, 2008, 08:42:28 PM

Rolemaster Standard System has "Hit Exhaustion" break points at 25%, 50%, and 75%.

flyingmice · November 17, 2008, 08:50:50 PM

Quote from: David Johansen;267467Rolemaster Standard System has "Hit Exhaustion" break points at 25%, 50%, and 75%.

Huh! There's one definitely out of the "common" time frame!

-clash

arminius · November 17, 2008, 09:01:14 PM

You may still be able to get Tri-Stat DX as a free download from http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=368

David Johansen · November 17, 2008, 11:19:48 PM

Quote from: flyingmice;267469Huh! There's one definitely out of the "common" time frame!

-clash

Is it? RMSS is the mid nineties edition and I don't think RM2 does hit exhaustion.

flyingmice · November 17, 2008, 11:26:46 PM

Quote from: David Johansen;267511Is it? RMSS is the mid nineties edition and I don't think RM2 does hit exhaustion.

Praedor was 2000, SC 2002, and Tristat Dx 2003. RMSS was mid-nineties.

-clash