Quote from: signoftheserpentCute; time you dropped the chip on you shoulder I think, because you certainly ain't growed up wiht that attitude. All you've done is patronise, display the height of arrogance and evade the question. Where is your evidence that CT is anything like what you so vigorously claim?

You mean you're defending the game and you haven't even bothered to read the publisher's own ad copy?

Quote from: J ArcaneExcept that, as Ctech's promotional materials make clear, the monsters are already here, now strap into the big 30-foot mecha and start beating them up.  If it resembles any kind of story, it's closer to your 4th point.

You really are an ignorant turd aren't you. You deliberately persist in taking a one dimensional view of something you've already had explained is greater and when challenged to back up that facile outlook resort to behaving like a spoilt child.

How anyone can be so short sighted I don't know. YOu make Mr Magoo look sharp.

Quote from: J ArcaneI don't see what value there is in using a thing, if you've tossed out all the things that made it interesting and turned it into something else.  

Again what is this bvased on? Pictures of giant war machines which form, again for the hard of comprehending: A small PART OF THE GAME.What is your problem that this is beyond your understanding?

Quote from: J ArcaneThat is what I get from Cthulhutech.

Why not try understanding ita bit more before writing it off entirely. That way you can form, oh I don't know, an informed opinion. Perhaps that's just something you old fogeys are too old and reactionary for. :rolleyes:

Quote from: J ArcaneYou mean you're defending the game and you haven't even bothered to read the publisher's own ad copy?

I know enough about the game to tell you there is more to it than what they call the Engel units (which are the big mechs they have overly pimped in their adcopy - i already made that point), the mecha that are arcane in nature.

Though they feature in the setting, there is a great deal more to it. One look through their art gallery will tell you this. Or read the timeline that was originally posted years ago.

There's a great deal to criticise them for, but continually posting with your fingers in your ears and shouting over people whilst refusing to listen makes only you look like a tit.

Quote from: beeberthat would be a neat exercise.  toss in the element of higher-level physics needed to make this shit causes more insanity as you vainly try to comprehend eleventy-billion dimensional mechanics.  and the guys who program the gates end up like sam neill in event horizon.  then discover that yog-sothoth, master of the gate, can undo everything at the blink of an eye.  but hasn't done so, yet. . . .

The setting does borro from event horizon; go read the timeline.

So, despite all initial protestations to the contrary, this thread really IS about defending Cthulutech against any and all criticisms?

Peace,
-Joel

Quote2085. Humanity faces extinction. Alien insects from the edge of our solar system, long hidden behind the façade of reality, descend to enslave us. Hordes of unspeakable horrors roll out from Central Asia, laying waste to anything in their path. The church of the fish-god scours the world for lost occult secrets to unleash terrible forces. Dead gods awaken and turn their dreadful eyes toward the Earth. And within hides a cancer, eating away at the very heart of the New Earth Government.

This is the Aeon War. This is the time of CthulhuTech.

Climb inside a thirty-foot tall war machine and rain down hell on the unwavering Migou. Fight tooth and nail on the front lines against the horrific beasts of the Rapine Storm. Seek out the disgusting corruption of the insidious Esoteric Order of Dagon. Explore the dark world of the malignant Chrysalis Corporation and their unseen monstrous agents. Sift through secrets long thought lost and bend the power of the cosmos to your will. Join in symbiosis with something beyond time and space and become a shape-shifting bringer of wrath.

Nowhere else will you find a setting like this.

Inside this book you will find:

• a complete history and detailed exploration of the world of the Aeon War, so that you can start a game right away.
• nine pieces of provocative short fiction to help portray the feel of the setting.
• the innovative Framewerk system. Not only cinematic, Framewerk puts control back where it belongs – in your hands.
• the option to play a hardy and resourceful 21rst century Human or join the fight as a night-skinned genetically-engineered Nazzadi.
• the option to play as one of seven professions, including Arcanotechnicians, who meld technology and magic into a unique discipline, Engel Pilots, who join in communion with gigantic arcane cyborgs, Occult Scholars, who delve into the mysteries of the universe and harness its power for themselves, or the mysterious alien shape-shifting Tagers.
• a unique ritual-based magic system, simulating dark and painstaking universe channeling power, including two dozen mind-wrenching spells.
• more than 30 unique machines of death, including the bug-like Migou mecha, the rough and tumble mecha of the New Earth Government, and the monstrous bio-organic Engels.
• more than 20 unspeakable horrors, including the terrible hordes of the Rapine Storm and the monstrous servants of the Chrysalis Corporation.
• a secret history of the world for Storyguides, including an exploration of dead gods, lost races, and forgotten places.
• story starters and hooks, to get you into a game now.

CthulhuTech is a complete, self-contained storytelling game. All you need besides this book are five to ten 10-sided dice.

So yeah.  Wars, kicking monster ass in big giant mecha, and metric fucktons of kewl powers.  

This has nothing to do with Cthulhu except in name.  They could just as easiyl have tossed the Lovecraft references out altogethere and just made their own game, but they didn't.  Instead they had to try for the double pander.

Reading the ad copy leaves me less interested in the game, I would have preferred something subtler and darker. A game that accomodated the style of both Alien films-- as well as Event Horizon, Sunshine, 2001 and others of that ilk --married to the insanity-inducing terror of the mythos would have been right up my alley.

I'll probably give it a look on release, but Cthulhutech seems a little too anime influenced for my tastes at the moment.

Quote from: J ArcaneSo yeah.  Wars, kicking monster ass in big giant mecha, and metric fucktons of kewl powers.  

This has nothing to do with Cthulhu except in name.  They could just as easiyl have tossed the Lovecraft references out altogethere and just made their own game, but they didn't.  Instead they had to try for the double pander.

So, again, you've read the book then?

Not just the ad copy, which is little more than that. And, as we can see, not very good ad copy - though i would have hoped that some woudl  have the wit to see beyond that.

No one is denying that the 'giant robots' (although if youd' bothered to open your pathetically tiny little mind for one nanosecond you'd understand they are a bit more than that) are IN the setting. They are just not the sole focus of it.

I'm still not getting why the presence of advanced military technology in a future setting is so terrible. Aliens was still scary after all. The incusion of added hardware doesn't remove good storytelling or destroy the timeless horror qualities of the work of Lovecraft. I also see no evidence, having seen somewhat beyodn the ad copy, which you refuse to do ('Whoosh' indeed, I fear). Perhaps instead of resorting to bullshit you could properly explain why. Her's a clue for you: Aliens was scary. It's also pretty popular and a good movie.

Sure they coulde have devised their own horror mythos, but then all we'd get is people like you complaining about them rippinbg off Lovecraft. They are in a no win situation competing against the attitudes of small minded and prejudicial gamers (i don't class people like that as gamers nor would i want to game with them). That's pathetic and childish.

Give me one good reason why they shouldn't work with the cthulhu mythos; if certainly makes good business sense as it's a popular IP with gamers.

It's become incredibly apparent that you're determined to believe whatever the hell you want about the game.

Apparently, reading what the actual publishers and authors of the game have said about it is meaningless, compared to, well, you don't seem to have much of anything, just a weird determination to believe sometihng that isn't remotely supported in anything that has been released about the game in the 3+ years this game has been in development.

NO ONE has read the game.  It's not out yet, and given that's it been effectively vaporware for a good long time now, I'm not even certain I believe it's not going to get canned at the last minute again and disappear from the web.

Everyone else but you, however, does seem to have read the actual public statements that have been made about the game, and those statements, going clear back to the earliest seeds of the idea way back on RPGnet, are about bigass mecha whupping the piss out of big ass monsters ripped off from Lovecraft.  

So how about you can the Erik Boielle impersonation already, it's getting fucking tired.

Quote from: J Arcane...join the fight as a night-skinned genetically-engineered Nazzadi.

Gosh, I see you can play a drow.

Otherwise, Mel has the right of it, I thought this wasn't a defend Cthulhutech at all costs thread?

Quote from: J ArcaneIt's become incredibly apparent that you're determined to believe whatever the hell you want about the game.

And here you betray your utter ignorance of everything I've said.

I'm believing what i've read about the game; I have never claimed to have read it or to know everythign within the setting - I've also mentioned there are many things I don't like. Yet again you persist with your blinkered tunnel vision view.

Quote from: J ArcaneApparently, reading what the actual publishers and authors of the game have said about it is meaningless, compared to, well, you don't seem to have much of anything, just a weird determination to believe sometihng that isn't remotely supported in anything that has been released about the game in the 3+ years this game has been in development.

Do you have some kind of mental impediment that impairs your ability to grasp simple fact or understand what someone is telling you? All I have said to you is that the game contains much more than giant robots. That's it! One read of the timeline (which can be found by searching rpg.net forums) will show you that. I didn't say they weren't in it. I said that, altogether now...1..2..3..4...'there's more than giant robots'!

That clear enough for you?

I've challenged you to demonstrate your superior wisdom regarding what you know about the game and every time you've failed to do antying excepot offer patronising bullshit as an answer. YOu don't know fuck all about it and still feel qualified to slag it off as some affront to Jesus H Lovecraft.

Get a fucking life!

Quote from: J ArcaneNO ONE has read the game.  It's not out yet, and given that's it been effectively vaporware for a good long time now, I'm not even certain I believe it's not going to get canned at the last minute again and disappear from the web.

Now you're really grasping.

Quote from: J ArcaneEveryone else but you, however, does seem to have read the actual public statements that have been made about the game, and those statements, going clear back to the earliest seeds of the idea way back on RPGnet, are about bigass mecha whupping the piss out of big ass monsters ripped off from Lovecraft.  

So how about you can the Erik Boielle impersonation already, it's getting fucking tired.

I think you've really just described your own arguments and attitude there pal, not mine. You're the one shoving his head deep in the sand while screaming abuse. Not I.

And just so we are clear: the game isn't about mecha fighting cthulhu ala godzilla (or ala anything). You dont' know jack diddley shit about it. If you don't believe me read the official forums, read the discussion on rpg.net read the materials that have been put out. Or ask the writers some questions (they are on the rpg.net thread which is many pages long so obviously i'm not the only one interested).

Either that or actually provide some solid proof that I'm wrong.

And in lieu of that, shut the fuck up.

Quote from: BalbinusGosh, I see you can play a drow.

Otherwise, Mel has the right of it, I thought this wasn't a defend Cthulhutech at all costs thread?

It wasn't supposed to be, and that wasn't my intention but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit through more ignorant bullshit. I get heartily sick of people who engage in intellectual and creative hobbies waxing lyrical out the back of their head defending themselves in the most venomous ways. However this guy is displaying all the traits I loathed that made me want to post in the first place!

Quote from: MelinglorSo, despite all initial protestations to the contrary, this thread really IS about defending Cthulutech against any and all criticisms?

Peace,
-Joel

God forbid people should try and be a little more opend minded about new games and the ideas that gamers have without ripping them to shreds based on ignorance. This applies to CT just as it applies to any other game. Certainly if i was writing it i would like to think people would do a little more than write it off based on the most superficial and facile assumptions.

Mind you i'd ahve written better ad copy, but there you go.

Quote from: BalbinusGosh, I see you can play a drow.

Otherwise, Mel has the right of it, I thought this wasn't a defend Cthulhutech at all costs thread?

It has become rather abundantly apparent that this thread is nothing more than fanboy apologetics.

It's starting to give me flashbacks to the kind of fanboy bullshit behavior I left Evil Avatar because of, and as such, I'm done with it.

Quote from: signoftheserpentIt wasn't supposed to be, and that wasn't my intention but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit through more ignorant bullshit. I get heartily sick of people who engage in intellectual and creative hobbies waxing lyrical out the back of their head defending themselves in the most venomous ways. However this guy is displaying all the traits I loathed that made me want to post in the first place!

I think, by the way the thread has developed, it's undermining your original point now.

How about another example?  Because I think your OP was correct, but this example is creating more heat than light at this point.