don't know if anyone saw this on reddit, but here...
https://medium.com/@ZweihanderRPG/april-6th-2020-public-statement-by-daniel-d-fox-regarding-john-tarnowksi-rpg-pundit-87a472e91705
Dan has an interesting memory of how things went down, doesn't he?
and apparently EVERYONE on 4chan is one of pundit's followers, cos anytime his game comes up, the immediate reaction in any thread is "Fuck off, Dan"
I have to be honest, I have a copy of the main rule book, and the rules, from what I have read, are ok. they aren't great, but they aren't terrible, and they sure aren't groundbreaking like he seems to think they are. The art is shit. sure it is better than what I could create, but personally I'd rather have a game book with no art than a book with shit art.
(what really bugs me about the book is he released a revised rule book and has no plans to make an errata, you just need to buy the new version, instead of using the old version and having a file of updates)
I've been seeing that article pop up everywhere today. In typical Reddit fashion, I've had folks downvote stalking me for the past few hours for suggesting that Fox is in no way innocent in all this and that he himself is a vile, scummy piece of shit person from everything I've seen of him. But that was to be expected given that Reddit Retards are the SJW hive of scum and villainy. I think it's fucking hilarious.
Pundit doesn't like his name posted, so I'd suggest taking the link down and posting a summary instead if you want to talk about it.
I'm also doubtful that it belongs here in the RPG forum, since I don't think this is about any RPGs.
Daniel Fox is an Anarcho-Communist SJW asshole who's trying to deflect any legitimate criticism by attacking a good man like Pundit. I wouldn't be surprised if Fox is also a sexual predator like Black Hat Matt, Holden Shearer, and David "Olivia" Hill.
He attacks Pundit because Pundit is one of the few willing to stand up to punk thug crybullies like Daniel Fox and call them out on their bullshit.
I don't know about any of that, but I do know, factually, that he pulled a Fred Hicks and stated publicly that if you're anti-SJW or anti-Woke that you "don't deserve" his game and he'll personally pay you for any copy you've bought. Shit like that makes me more than happy to through my game funds to more worthy writers.
EDIT: Agreed this prolly belongs in one of the other forums. It's totally not directly game related.
Did he actually post Pundits RL photo? Isnt that illegal? Or grounds for charges of stalking?
Quote from: Omega;1126037Did he actually post Pundits RL photo? Isnt that illegal? Or grounds for charges of stalking?
IIRC, that's not actually a photo of Pundit.
If it is somehow a photo of him, then it's at least not a current one since the photo looks like it was some old Polaroid taken in the 1980's or early 1990's.
It looks like one of those stock photos of some neckbeard stereotype that someone would post to 4chan as part of some long-winded copypasta meme.
In fact, I might've seen it as a meme image posted on the chans back in the day. It's the kind of picture you'd see get used as an image macro template.
Hell, given that we know Fox likes to brigade against Pundit online, I wouldn't be surprised if he tried that shit on /tg/ and someone posted that and said it was Pundit's photo to troll him
Fox being the woke simpleton he is, probably took the bait and thought it was a real photo of Pundit. Especially since it would jive well with the fedora-wearing neckbeard shitlord incel strawman he and many other SJW's like to paint their critics as.
Leave it to a retarded faggot like Daniel Fox to mistake a 4chan shitpost image for an actual photo of his internet arch-nemesis.
Quote from: remial;1126021,...Dan has an interesting memory of how things went down, doesn't he?
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Where I come from its is a condition known as a "Selective memory"
Fox is in showing his true form here.
I suspect he is in for a real roasting. because unless I sorely miss my guess Pundit will be able to cite chapter and verse, with times and dates of all Fox's assholish shenanigans.
Good luck with this Danny boy...
Quote from: Omega;1126037Did he actually post Pundits RL photo? Isnt that illegal? Or grounds for charges of stalking?
LOL not even close to a pic of real Pundit.
If you really want to, it's not that hard to see what Pundit looks like IRL.
But I understand why he wishes to maintain some level of personal privacy in the rpg realm due to the flack he takes from SJW's.
RPGPundit, get yourself a bulldog US lawyer in Danny Asshat's state on contingency and let's see how well Danny enjoys the court of law where its not feelings (and followers) over facts. As Zweihander is an asset with distribution deals and Danny has a cushy job, and has posted pictures of a home he may own, he's a decent target for a lawsuit. A contingency case would not cost you a dime and Asshat might fold swiftly rather than face a barrage of discovery.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1126045RPGPundit, get yourself a bulldog US lawyer in Danny Asshat's state on contingency and let's see how well Danny enjoys the court of law where its not feelings (and followers) over facts. As Zweihander is an asset with distribution deals and Danny has a cushy job, and has posted pictures of a home he may own, he's a decent target for a lawsuit. A contingency case would not cost you a dime and Asshat might fold swiftly rather than face a barrage of discovery.
I really, really hope it doesn't have to come to that.
My response to the defamatory claims Fox has made against me:
[video=youtube_share;ioIb6aPZKrc]https://youtu.be/ioIb6aPZKrc[/youtube]
I'm not very confident that Fox really meant it when he said that this was the last time he'd speak of me, but I sincerely hope that would be true. It's been four years of goddamn nonsense.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1126050I really, really hope it doesn't have to come to that.
It's definitely come to that. He's defaming you on Medium.com and beyond. He's calling for financial harm to you. It's high time to clean his clock in the court of law.
If you're not familiar with the US laws of discovery, its worth an hour of your research time. Danny Asshat could be forced to cough up a lot of documents - electronic and otherwise - he'd really rather never see the light of day. And then you can file the discovery en masse with the court...making them public documents....which anyone can reference anytime.
Who knows what fun skeletons Danny has got in his closet? Maybe the light of the law can disinfect this little shitstain. He's not going to stop harassing you until it costs him.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1126055It's definitely come to that. He's defaming you on Medium.com and beyond. He's calling for financial harm to you. It's high time to clean his clock in the court of law.
If you're not familiar with the US laws of discovery, its worth an hour of your research time. Danny Asshat could be forced to cough up a lot of documents - electronic and otherwise - he'd really rather never see the light of day. And then you can file the discovery en masse with the court...making them public documents....which anyone can reference anytime.
Who knows what fun skeletons Danny has got in his closet? Maybe the light of the law can disinfect this little shitstain. He's not going to stop harassing you until it costs him.
Which is something I already told him. Throw the book at him and teach all of them a lesson, hell if needed be we make a legal fund to pay for the costs of the suit.
Lawsuits are too expensive. You'd need a $30k GoFundMe to hire and fund a lawsuit properly (and more).
That's why I support a contingency lawsuit, aka finding a junkyard dog lawyer in Danny's state who will take the case for free in exchange for a big chunk of the winnings. Such a lawyer would first have to size up Danny's assets and ascertain whether Danny or his company has liability here. AKA, is Danny speaking as Danny or as his company? If Danny has assets (bank accounts of note, investments, home ownership, etc), then the right junkyard dog attorney would be interested in chewing on Danny.
Don't care about this 'Fox guy".
No one ever asked for his game when the store was open.
Doesn't really seem like it has a true connection to RPGs.
-Ed C.
If you guys want to help, please share my video on your social media.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1126050I really, really hope it doesn't have to come to that.
Why? He keeps escalating this even when you leave him alone.
He's just going to hallucinate you doing something against him again and possibly do something even worse.
Certainly legal action is a big step. But hes obviously not gong to stop. At the very least start looking into it in case things get worse.
I've seen something like this before. Look up 'Brett Kimberlin' and 'Bill Schmalfeldt'.
Pundit, it might be worth your time to contact the principal actors involved in dealing with those lowlifes, particularly William Hoge or Aaron Worthing. See if they can offer you any advice.
Yeah, lawsuits are expensive. But if Fox manages to screw up your DTRPG income it's no longer just an Internet slapfight.
Fox and Koebel are found-kindred fools, so when Pundit targets one, the other comes running.
F it were me, hiring 2-3 lawyers to circle the wagons around Fox would be fun, aka, worth the scratch.
Even if he survives, the victory would be purely Pyrrihic. That's enough.
Lawsuits sound expensive, a pain in the ass and a gamble, but gotta agree with many here. This crosses a line and could have further consequences down the line, especially since we seem headed towards an age where mere unsubstantiated accusations on social media are enough for companies to act and deny business or funding to you.
The guy does all he can to tie pundit to white supremacists/nazis. That, is a very, very direct smear to affect livelihood. If there were ever justification to get an attack dog lawyer, this looks like it.
Posted this on his twitter example of nazism
That is arguing a point no one was making he did not substitute muslims for nazis. He substituted Muslims for conservatives... did the guy not read before responding?
Somebody liked it and I was blocked shortly after is. The guy is saying things that did not happen, and worse read differently than he says they do.. I feel like this guy gives two fucks about rpgs, but is on the phone all day trying to get a movie/netflix/media deal sealed to just make money. I guess the virtue peacock is needed to get that gangs attention.
Wait, Pundit thinks people are bribing judges to win Ennies?
That's crazy. I mean, there isn't enough money in an RPG to afford that even if the bribes are splitting a pizza level of corruption.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1126075I've seen something like this before. Look up 'Brett Kimberlin' and 'Bill Schmalfeldt'.
Pundit, it might be worth your time to contact the principal actors involved in dealing with those lowlifes, particularly William Hoge or Aaron Worthing. See if they can offer you any advice.
Yeah, lawsuits are expensive. But if Fox manages to screw up your DTRPG income it's no longer just an Internet slapfight.
Who are those names and where can I contact them?
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1126111Wait, Pundit thinks people are bribing judges to win Ennies?
That's crazy. I mean, there isn't enough money in an RPG to afford that even if the bribes are splitting a pizza level of corruption.
There were literally at least two very public scandals of bribery in the past. Neither of them involving Fox, I'll note. It amazes me how everyone has just forgotten they happened.
Meanwhile if someone wanted to be more immediately helpful, they could post the link to my video on their social media. Right now the video isn't even on reddit /rpg/, maybe some of the people suggesting I spend years and thousands of dollars in a protracted legal battle for their amusement could start helping out by posting the video on reddit?
Sorry if I'm coming off as a bit snippy, bearing in mind I've had less sleep and considerable stress because of these outright lies being flung all around the gaming internet about me by leftists who don't give a fuck about the truth, but there's also a lot of people on here acting like suing someone is a super easy thing to do and not something that will literally devour years of your life, especially international suits.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1126119but there's also a lot of people on here acting like suing someone is a super easy thing to do and not something that will literally devour years of your life, especially international suits.
I am not. Its a big step and not one to be taken lightly. I advise looking into getting a lawyer first even if it is only as a "just in case" fallback. Do some research and ask around.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1126040IIRC, that's not actually a photo of Pundit.
If it is somehow a photo of him, then it's at least not a current one since the photo looks like it was some old Polaroid taken in the 1980's or early 1990's.
It isn't. Go to the photo, right click, choose "Search Google for this Image". It is one of the earliest memes on the internet, being attached to archeovirii ranging from the stereotypical nerd to "too much Second Life".
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1126111That's crazy. I mean, there isn't enough money in an RPG to afford that even if the bribes are splitting a pizza level of corruption.
That's the logical stance, but humans aren't logical. It's truly bizarre how many times I've heard about whackass level corruption for stuff like school science faires and church bake sales. For whatever reason, the human mind gains great pleasure from petty actions, so you see truly nutbag stories arrive from competitions worth pennies in an economic scope, but massive value to some human egos.
According to Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/17168510.Daniel_D_Fox), "Daniel D. Fox is the executive creative director of games at Andrews McMeel Universal."
I am quite confused. To me, it appears Mr. Fox is maliciously slandering RPGPundit from his position of Executive Creative Director at Andrews McMeel. That is concerning.
Apparently, Andres McMeel has a Director attempting to harm a competing publisher. As we know, both Lion & Dragon and Zweihander are both competing in the same space of medieval fantasy games. Outright lying to gain financial advantage against a competing product is very inappropriate, and I highly doubt such business practice is legal.
Here is Andrews McMeel Universal's About Us page (https://www.andrewsmcmeel.com/about/) with the names and positions of their entire Executive Staff. The company phone number and address in Kansas City is at the bottom of the page. The company invites you visit their YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/AndrewsMcMeel/featured), Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/AndrewsMcMeelPublishing) and Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/andrewsmcmeel/) pages, also LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/andrews-mcmeel-universal).
And let's not forget their Twitter (https://twitter.com/AndrewsMcMeel).
All this makes me wonder how Games Workshop feels about Andrews McMeel publishing a Warhammer ripoff. I wonder if McMeel's CEO Andy Sareyan and CFO Les Hinmon are aware of the potential IP conflicts? Or if they are aware how their company is being represented online by their employee?
So many questions about why Andrews McMeel's Director is behaving in this manner. It certainly does not make me want to support his employer or buy books from other McMeel's authors.
it is at this point i'd get a pic of fox and photoshop his head onto the girl in as many stills from episodes of blacked that i could find, then scatter them far and wide across the net, maybe make postcards of them and send them to all his business associates and such. i'd just get plum damn stupid with it, thats really the only way to handle stupid, derision, scorn, belittle and attack it, make it learn that just because it can draw attention doesn't mean it will be good attention or bring about the desired outcome. my cousin actually did something similar to me once, spreading lies and such, so i cuckolded him and she left him, sticking him with child support out the wazoo. we had a good fist fight at a funeral, i won because he cannot fight his way out of a paper bag and i was defying physics trying to put the folding chair inside him, which he probably liked, and now he's been sweetness and light for about a decade since. only calls when he wants something.
Quote from: remial;1126021don't know if anyone saw this on reddit, but here...
https://medium.com/@ZweihanderRPG/april-6th-2020-public-statement-by-daniel-d-fox-regarding-john-tarnowksi-rpg-pundit-87a472e91705
Dan has an interesting memory of how things went down, doesn't he?
and apparently EVERYONE on 4chan is one of pundit's followers, cos anytime his game comes up, the immediate reaction in any thread is "Fuck off, Dan"
I have to be honest, I have a copy of the main rule book, and the rules, from what I have read, are ok. they aren't great, but they aren't terrible, and they sure aren't groundbreaking like he seems to think they are. The art is shit. sure it is better than what I could create, but personally I'd rather have a game book with no art than a book with shit art.
(what really bugs me about the book is he released a revised rule book and has no plans to make an errata, you just need to buy the new version, instead of using the old version and having a file of updates)
Which RPG are you critiquing there? Lion & Dragon, or something created by the other person being discussed here? I own a copy of Lion & Dragon myself, but I only want to comment on L&D, if that is the RPG you are describing.
I can't speak to all this fol-de-rol but I will say that with a cleaned up, good, solid scan of Warhammer Fantasy Role-Play available as a PDF to purchase at DTRPG/RPGNow (and, given that you can get prints in hardback or softback done at lulu and other online print-shops) there's absolutely zero need for Zweihander.
Play the original.
Quote from: Razor 007;1126176Which RPG are you critiquing there? Lion & Dragon, or something created by the other person being discussed here? I own a copy of Lion & Dragon myself, but I only want to comment on L&D, if that is the RPG you are describing.
sorry, I was talking about Fox's Zweihander. I got it in large part because one of my friends is a big warhammer fan, and he was buying it and going to run it.
then he moved out of state.
Quote from: thedungeondelver;1126297I can't speak to all this fol-de-rol but I will say that with a cleaned up, good, solid scan of Warhammer Fantasy Role-Play available as a PDF to purchase at DTRPG/RPGNow (and, given that you can get prints in hardback or softback done at lulu and other online print-shops) there's absolutely zero need for Zweihander.
Play the original.
I've got like 3 copies of WFRP 1st ed. One I bought new when Hogshead had the license, and the other 2 I picked up at used book stores for $4 each (one is even Games Workshop's printing!)
Quote from: remial;1126322I've got like 3 copies of WFRP 1st ed. One I bought new when Hogshead had the license, and the other 2 I picked up at used book stores for $4 each (one is even Games Workshop's printing!)
SWEET. I have 2 hardback GW prints. Love them!
I actually took a stab at a 40k rewrite based on WFRP a little while ago. It drifted a bit off course of course. My notion was to do a setting that had all the elements but with different names and situations. I will get it done one of these days. I may even do a fantasy version.
So I get to step online for the first time in quite a bit and here this is third from the top and all I can say is what the hell.
I remember the falling out being bad but Jesus what the hell is up with this guy? This is insane.
All i can say is good luck pundit I think you need it.
(small note I do have a post in regards to why I think cyberpunk is still important life got in the way when I get it finished I may end up doing some thread necromancy)
Warhammer 1e is a truly glorious game.
Quote from: kosmos1214;1126355(small note I do have a post in regards to why I think cyberpunk is still important life got in the way when I get it finished I may end up doing some thread necromancy)
Please do! One of the things I enjoy about theRPGsite is thread necromancy is allowed. I'm always happy to talk more cyberpunk!
Quote from: kosmos1214;1126355So I get to step online for the first time in quite a bit and here this is third from the top and all I can say is what the hell.
I remember the falling out being bad but Jesus what the hell is up with this guy? This is insane.
All i can say is good luck pundit I think you need it.
(small note I do have a post in regards to why I think cyberpunk is still important life got in the way when I get it finished I may end up doing some thread necromancy)
Thank you.
Quote from: kosmos1214;1126355I remember the falling out being bad but Jesus what the hell is up with this guy? This is insane.
If I was cynical, which I am, I might guess that this is about making a whole lot of noise for the sake of drawing attention to himself and his product. There's no such thing as bad publicity and all that, something (fuck off) Daniel has proven is true and there's nothing like some drama to get you that much.
In any case, good luck Pundit though I'm sure you'll be fine. The usual suspects already 'know' you're Hitler incarnate anyway so I doubt this is going to change many minds.
Quote from: kosmos1214;1126355So I get to step online for the first time in quite a bit and here this is third from the top and all I can say is what the hell.
I remember the falling out being bad but Jesus what the hell is up with this guy? This is insane.
All i can say is good luck pundit I think you need it.
(small note I do have a post in regards to why I think cyberpunk is still important life got in the way when I get it finished I may end up doing some thread necromancy)
Well; when you are already the undisputed final boss of internet shitlords, it's pointless for someone to attempt to drag your name through the mud. What can they possibly accomplish, by doing so?
Quote from: Snark Knight;1126382There's no such thing as bad publicity and all that, something (fuck off) Daniel has proven is true and there's nothing like some drama to get you that much.
Not exactly true. As TSR actually learned the hard way. They thought the bad publicity from the Satanic Panic would be good for sales. But it caused so much damage and loss that Gary stated he sorely regretted not fighting it. Then theres bad publicity of the smear tactic sort which can and will oft damage a product. And a bad rep on a product or IP can linger a long long time.
Anyone who thinks theres no such thing as bad publicity is a raging moron. Pundit, Zak, anyone else knows this allready.
That's why they make up false allegations. There are some allegations that will cause a lot more harm than others. "Pundit is a mean guy on the internet" does nothing for them, it only makes me better known. So then they tried "Pundit is anti-lgbt", which was a LIE and they all knew it was a lie, and that helped them a bit. But now that the SJW left has devalued accusations of racism, sexism and homophobia so much that they mean almost nothing, they have to LIE about even bigger things, hence stuff like "Pundit endorses nazis" or "Pundit stalked Fox's wife on her instagram posting insulting comments on a picture of her child", both LIES that EVERYONE KNOWS are lies, but the Leftists will just keep repeating them because they don't care about the truth, they only care about power, and getting rid of the man who stands in their way.
Pundit, at the very least you should find a lawyer in Fox's area and get a consultation. This is defamation, with the intention of interfering with your business prospects as well as your existing contracts. Hit up Nick Rekieta or Mike Cerovich via DM on Twitter to see if they can refer you if you don't have any other way to network to a lawyer who can help; you can also talk with Nick on his livestream if you're willing to do more than just cut a video.
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;1126468Pundit, at the very least you should find a lawyer in Fox's area and get a consultation. This is defamation, with the intention of interfering with your business prospects as well as your existing contracts. Hit up Nick Rekieta or Mike Cerovich via DM on Twitter to see if they can refer you if you don't have any other way to network to a lawyer who can help; you can also talk with Nick on his livestream if you're willing to do more than just cut a video.
A life stream with Rekieta would be awesome. He's also an RPG nerd, so might be interesting to see what they discuss. His audience also includes ComicsGate, anime fans and other nerdy types, so it might bring Pundit a couple of subs.
Quote from: VisionStorm;1126499A life stream with Rekieta would be awesome. He's also an RPG nerd, so might be interesting to see what they discuss. His audience also includes ComicsGate, anime fans and other nerdy types, so it might bring Pundit a couple of subs.
Yes I highly suggest Pundit speak to Rekieta and get a lawyer involved.
This really is disturbing. I feel like Pundit's video on this is the first video of his I've seen where he sounds genuinely upset. And it's just so obvious that Fox is lying: there's absolutely no way that account is a sock-puppet, and I have yet to see anyone on Fox's side even seriously try to respond to Pundit's evidence. It's literally nothing but deflection. These people really are scum.
What you noticed in my tone was exasperation and sheer outrage.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1126577What you noticed in my tone was exasperation and sheer outrage.
You're letting them get to you. Don't give them that power.
More importantly dont let them get you riled up as then you'll likely make some mistake by saying something they can capitalize on as "real proof!" which they can then use to back up their fake proof.
"Well if he did this. Then he must have done this thing we (falsely) accused him of before too!"
Yeah, well, that's why I'm being cautious. I mean it when I say that if Fox stays out of my way I will stay out of his. If he doesn't, well, I have everything archived.
Paul Renard comes out of nowhere a few weeks ago. Renard is the French word for "fox". I'm sure it's all an incredible coincidence.
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;1126468Pundit, at the very least you should find a lawyer in Fox's area and get a consultation. This is defamation, with the intention of interfering with your business prospects as well as your existing contracts. Hit up Nick Rekieta or Mike Cerovich via DM on Twitter to see if they can refer you if you don't have any other way to network to a lawyer who can help; you can also talk with Nick on his livestream if you're willing to do more than just cut a video.
Just a point of order. Pundit would have to show damages. He'd need to show his RPG sales were impacted in some measurable, meaningful way. If he cannot do that, then it's just mean words on the Internet.
I think Pundit would do better just getting his own message out there. Which is what he's been trying to do and asking others to spread. That seems like a smart approach to me.
Quote from: Mistwell;1126607I think Pundit would do better just getting his own message out there. Which is what he's been trying to do and asking others to spread. That seems like a smart approach to me.
The one weakness with Pundit's approach is that he really only does videos. And he tends to ramble on at length in those. I think if he were to write a formal response, the exercise would force him to focus his thoughts into something that is concise and, hopefully, clear. I also think it'd find a wider audience as people are more likely, imo, to kill a video - especially one where the videographer is having trouble getting to the point - than they are to read something that can be consumed in a matter of a few seconds to a few minutes in written form.
I think messieurs Fox is a right cunt and is on the wrong side of this fight, but he appears to have found a far wider reach and therefore has more people who only see this from his perspective. That perspective is more likely to get repeated and spread around based on his strategy alone.
Quote from: SavageSchemer;1126610The one weakness with Pundit's approach is that he really only does videos.
Too right. That has been a weakness for a very long time. I know I have never watched one of his videos and it is unlikely that I ever will. Give me a written version and maybe I'll give it some consideration, but a video opinion piece? No. For me, at least, the presenter would have to be a really entertaining firebrand orator (or a great comedian) - or I would have to already be a committed, outraged true believer - to hold my attention with something like that (engaging visuals might help too).
You aren't the first to suggest written presentations might have a bit more traction. Long before this latest twitter/social-media/whatever-the-heck-it-is kerfuffle, people on the forum have been suggesting that, but to no avail. Oh well.
He did one which included an explanation for how he makes iced coffee. That was interesting also.
Quote from: PencilBoy99;1126624He did one which included an explanation for how he makes iced coffee. That was interesting also.
Cool! I like iced coffee. I have two ways of making it but I'm open to other possibilities. Is there a written version of the recipe somewhere?
Quote from: Mistwell;1126607I think Pundit would do better just getting his own message out there. Which is what he's been trying to do and asking others to spread. That seems like a smart approach to me.
Wrong. Pundit simply does not have Fox's connections and reach. The scorch earth policy is the only way to make Fox shut up.
Pundit needs to do what I suggested during gamergate's time. He needs to contact other people with the reach and connections. I HIGHLY suggest Raging Golden Eagle and Rekita. Not to mention you need to get a lawyer Pundit. Fox wants to destroy you and won't stop till he succeeds, or you finally take him out for good in a act of self defense.
Quote from: SavageSchemer;1126610The one weakness with Pundit's approach is that he really only does videos. And he tends to ramble on at length in those. I think if he were to write a formal response, the exercise would force him to focus his thoughts into something that is concise and, hopefully, clear. I also think it'd find a wider audience as people are more likely, imo, to kill a video - especially one where the videographer is having trouble getting to the point - than they are to read something that can be consumed in a matter of a few seconds to a few minutes in written form.
I think messieurs Fox is a right cunt and is on the wrong side of this fight, but he appears to have found a far wider reach and therefore has more people who only see this from his perspective. That perspective is more likely to get repeated and spread around based on his strategy alone.
All that matters is social media soundbytes.
No one reads articles. Blogs get one-tenth the views of videos. But most people won't watch videos either. The thing that matters is social media links. People constantly retweet headlines of articles they never read.
So fucking share the video on your social media, if you're on my side!
Quote from: Zirunel;1126626Cool! I like iced coffee. I have two ways of making it but I'm open to other possibilities. Is there a written version of the recipe somewhere?
I liked the one on the OSR being cutting edge and I liked the one on I Ching.
Honestly, I just like Pundit's voice. It's soothing for some reason. Maybe it's the accent.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1126647So fucking share the video on your social media, if you're on my side!
I absolutely would if I did the social media thing. Unfortunately I make about the worst possible sort of ally - a completely useless one as I have gone to great lengths to maintain precisely zero social media presence outside this forum and two others. One of those is Reddit, which I despise (deeply) but use due to how active it is. And I'm certain you know how they are. By and large they barely rate higher than TBP. The other maintains a strict "no politics" rule.
Quote from: SavageSchemer;1126651I absolutely would if I did the social media thing. Unfortunately I make about the worst possible sort of ally - a completely useless one as I have gone to great lengths to maintain precisely zero social media presence outside this forum and two others. One of those is Reddit, which I despise (deeply) but use due to how active it is. And I'm certain you know how they are. By and large they barely rate higher than TBP. The other maintains a strict "no politics" rule.
I go further than you: I don't do Reddit either. I'm on several gaming forums, but I'm there for games, not politics. Despite Pundit's belief, I do read posts/blogs and watch videos (more the former than the latter). Stating that only the social media matters seems weird to me--what does it matter if people share headlines that nobody reads? It seems like the equivalent of passing my junk mail on to others and thinking that it will change the world.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1126116Who are those names and where can I contact them?
William Hoge can be reached at Hogewash.com.
Aaron Walker (blogged as Aaron Worthing) can be found infrequently at http://allergic2bull.blogspot.com/ and there's a link there regarding his travails with Kimberlin.
Those two, among several others, wound up in a bizarre, multi-year legal wrangle against Brett Kimberlin, a convicted domestic terrorist, forger, and adjudicated pedophile, as well as Brett's primary butt-monkey, a weird creepy fellow by the name of Bill Schmalfeldt.
IIRC, at one point KF had threads on these guys too, but it kind of bumped up from Internet Slapfight when Bretty and Bill started filing lolsuits.
It would've been funny, except for the fact that yes, they WERE filing lawsuits which had to be responded to.
I'm also tempted to suggest you drop Richard Meyer (Ya Boi Zack) a line, since he's currently suing Mark Waid for tortious interference in trade; IANAL but Fox's behavior could be construed as similar. I could be wrong about that though.
I think we've stepped past the "internet slap fight" stage since Zwei has accused Pundit of harassment.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1126701I'm also tempted to suggest you drop Richard Meyer (Ya Boi Zack) a line, since he's currently suing Mark Waid for tortious interference in trade; IANAL but Fox's behavior could be construed as similar. I could be wrong about that though.
In Zack's case, there was a specific contract that was broken and you had Mark Waid admitting that he contacted the owner of the company about the contract and make a self-congratulatory tweet after the contract was broken. And even with all that, we still don't know if Zack will win.
If Fox just says negative stuff on the internet resulting in Pundit's products being pulled from DriveThruRPG (which I'm assuming is what people are worried about as no one has specifically mentioned anything else), then all Fox has to do is point out that Pundit did the exact same thing to Judges Guild two months ago.
I neither started nor supported any petition. Nor did I call for censorship. I only talked about it after the fact.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1126448So then they tried "Pundit is anti-lgbt", which was a LIE and they all knew it was a lie, and that helped them a bit.
Wait, you're pro-LGBT?
Since when? How?
QuoteAn ally, straight ally, or heterosexual ally is a heterosexual and cisgender person who supports equal civil rights, gender equality, and LGBT social movements, and challenges homophobia, biphobia, and transphobia. Not everyone who meets this definition identifies as an "ally".
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1126740Wait, you're pro-LGBT?
Since when? How?
He didn't use your idiotic, nutjob religious definition of "ally", he said he wasn't anti-LGBT.
Are you such a fucking disingenuous shitbag you can't help but lie when quoting a simple sentence?
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1126740Quote from: RPGPunditSo then they tried "Pundit is anti-lgbt", which was a LIE and they all knew it was a lie, and that helped them a bit.
Wait, you're pro-LGBT?
Since when? How?
QuoteAn ally, straight ally, or heterosexual ally is a heterosexual and cisgender person who supports equal civil rights, gender equality, and LGBT social movements, and challenges homophobia, biphobia, and transphobia. Not everyone who meets this definition identifies as an "ally".
First, one does not have to be "pro-lgbt" to not be "anti-lgbt." This is a false dichotomy. One could be indifferent to, ignorant of, or even unconcerned with lgbt issues, and still would not rightfully be labeled as anti-lgbt. Folks who propose such a dichotomy are usually doing so as a form of intellectual bullying.
Secondly, one does not have to meet some arbitrary definition you post (which specifically states "ally," not "pro-lgbt") to be considered pro-lgbt or even non-anti-lgbt. You (nor anyone else) are not the arbiter of lgbt-ism. Unless you can provide the stone tablet that definition was written on to prove its divine authority, your definition is just another strident, intolerant, moralizing opinion.
Why would anyone want to be an "ally," anyway? At what point does defending the sexual proclivities and practices of someone else become a moral imperative? To quote Dennis Miller: "There is nothing in the world more interesting to me than my orgasm, and nothing in the world less interesting than yours..."
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1126740Wait, you're pro-LGBT?
Since when? How?
QuoteAn ally, straight ally, or heterosexual ally is a heterosexual and cisgender person who supports equal civil rights, gender equality, and LGBT social movements, and challenges homophobia, biphobia, and transphobia. Not everyone who meets this definition identifies as an "ally".
Interesting how the actually relevant, non-cultish elements of that "definition" still apply to Pundit as far as I can tell, and it's only when it comes to his submission to a presumptuous orthodoxy and it's prescribed labels and obligations that he appears to be a failure.
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1126740Wait, you're pro-LGBT?
Since when? How?
I was supporting gay marriage since the early 90s. Decades before Hillary Clinton or Obama ever thought to. I have always supported the right of all people to do whatever they want with their own identities and bodies and receive equal consideration under the law.
Wow, people don't really pay attention.
I knew or figured out that Pundit was pro gay marriage or very okay with it back in 2007.
He's still feisty and very opinionated - but that has never meant that he is a bigot.
- Ed C.
(Also, very often miscast and misunderstood)
It's always fun when I remind my gay friends they are identical and interchangeable with lesbians and trannys and must walk in total lockstep with whatever today's agenda might be on Twitter, because G is just another letter in the WTFBBQ alphabet soup.
As for RPGPundit, he's a Libertarian and he's been vocal about that forever. Libertarians were pro-gay marriage decades before the Democrats. Libertarians want government out of most (or all) areas of their lives, including laws regarding marriage.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1126826Libertarians want government out of most (or all) areas of their lives, including laws regarding marriage.
I think that protecting people from being terminated for no reason other than their identity would be a critical element in any 'pro'-identity definition. Ie, people should not be terminated from their job for no other reason than their sexual orientation seems like a critical protection to be 'pro-gay'.
Libertarians typically aren't inclined to believe that people should have a right to be protected from discrimination because 'government intervention'. Or am I mistaken in this case?
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1126845I think that protecting people from being terminated for no reason other than their identity would be a critical element in any 'pro'-identity definition. Ie, people should not be terminated from their job for no other reason than their sexual orientation seems like a critical protection to be 'pro-gay'.
Libertarians typically aren't inclined to believe that people should have a right to be protected from discrimination because 'government intervention'. Or am I mistaken in this case?
People like you fucking disgust me. Always thinking and expecting the worst in others without proof to justify those thoughts. In your case inspite of the clear evidence that is well known for a long time now. RPGPundit literally BANS people who show strong alt right view points in the past. He put a trans on the cover on one of his books. Hell he allowed a trans to live with if I am right. I believe he is more Pro LGTB than the vast majority of the SJW crowd. How could you missed this, or did you choose to miss this because you wanted to think RPGPundit is something vile?
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1126845I think that protecting people from being terminated for no reason other than their identity would be a critical element in any 'pro'-identity definition. Ie, people should not be terminated from their job for no other reason than their sexual orientation seems like a critical protection to be 'pro-gay'.
Libertarians typically aren't inclined to believe that people should have a right to be protected from discrimination because 'government intervention'. Or am I mistaken in this case?
I believe you are correct. I believe the Libertarian stance would be you have the power to not due business with anyone who would discriminate. That I think is the main tool for motivation in a libertarian society.
Quote from: Snowman0147;1126846Hell he allowed a trans to live with if I am right.
Gay, not trans. Rented a room from me for years. Tremendously nice guy.
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1126845I think that protecting people from being terminated for no reason other than their identity would be a critical element in any 'pro'-identity definition. Ie, people should not be terminated from their job for no other reason than their sexual orientation seems like a critical protection to be 'pro-gay'.
Libertarians typically aren't inclined to believe that people should have a right to be protected from discrimination because 'government intervention'. Or am I mistaken in this case?
Those freaking libertarians and their homophobic stance on
freedom of association! I would think that if you are pro- a certain group you would be not just in favor of those people being allowed to exist and enjoy the same rights as anyone else, but also advocate that other people be
forced to associate with them even if they don't want to or even like each other. :rolleyes:
Not that I'm in favor of wrongful termination, but Jeezes Christ! Talk about willfully missing the point! :eek:
I don't know Pundit's views because I don't visit the Reddit subthreads where all these accusations came up.
There are people who say 'I'm not anti-semitic because I'm not calling for a genocide of the Jewish people'. And sure, there are people that ARE calling for the genocide of the Jewish people and in a relative way, you're not THAT bad. But that's a long way from being 'pro-Jewish people'.
Very clearly there are people that will draw that line in different places - some will say you
must support Israel as a state, others more, others less. Pro-LGBT is similar - supporting marriage equality is one litmus test some people
might use, but that's certainly not the only one. I think it's fair to ask someone what their criteria is to be 'pro' or 'anti' and then respond to that. Certainly some people will make unrealistic demands and then say 'you're either with us or you're a FILTHY RACIST', but there's no problem with drawing a line. For example, I'm a proud Catholic Christian, and I hold my Christian values to be very important to my identity. I'm
uncomfortable with evangelical 'born-again' types that seem more interested in 'saving my soul' than improving themselves as a person or applying Jesus's ministry to their own life. If one of them calls me 'anti-Christian', I don't get offended - I'm happy to explain my views and don't mind if they feel that's not good enough.
Edit -
The following article (https://mashable.com/article/how-to-be-antiracist/) gets at some of what I'm trying to say.
QuoteIt's not enough to say, "I'm not racist," and often it's a self-serving sentiment. Kendi says people constantly change the definition of what's racist so it doesn't apply to them. If you're a white nationalist who's not violent, says Kendi, then you might see the Ku Klux Klan as racist. If you're a Democrat who thinks there's something culturally wrong with black people, then racists to you might be people who are Republicans.
“What I do know is slaveholders identified as not racist… white supremacists identify today as not racist.
“It seems to me, that term is more of a term of denial than a term with meaning.”
- Ibram X Kendi, author of #HowToBeAnAntiracist
#newsnight | @DrIbram | @KirstyWark pic.twitter.com/iPQUiOHq1r
— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) August 8, 2019
Quote from: RPGPundit;1126852Gay, not trans. Rented a room from me for years. Tremendously nice guy.
Stand corrected, but still your morally above a extremely long list of SJWs.
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1126869Pro-LGBT is similar - supporting marriage equality is one litmus test some people might use, but that's certainly not the only one.
You may or may not be aware that around 12% of homosexuals were against same-sex marriage. Are they anti-LGBT?
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1126869I don't know Pundit's views because I don't visit the Reddit subthreads where all these accusations came up.
There are people who say 'I'm not anti-semitic because I'm not calling for a genocide of the Jewish people'. And sure, there are people that ARE calling for the genocide of the Jewish people and in a relative way, you're not THAT bad. But that's a long way from being 'pro-Jewish people'.
Very clearly there are people that will draw that line in different places - some will say you must support Israel as a state, others more, others less. Pro-LGBT is similar - supporting marriage equality is one litmus test some people might use, but that's certainly not the only one. I think it's fair to ask someone what their criteria is to be 'pro' or 'anti' and then respond to that.
deadDMwalking -- You're making implications here about Pundit, which isn't a specific accusation, but it's still very insulting -- especially given the accusations in the OP.
LGBT rights isn't one of his usual topics, but I recall Pundit having a rant on his blog against gay conversion therapy, for example. I've argued with him in the past about specific LGBT topics -- but that's different than saying he's anti-LGBT.
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1126869There are people who say 'I'm not anti-semitic because I'm not calling for a genocide of the Jewish people'. And sure, there are people that ARE calling for the genocide of the Jewish people and in a relative way, you're not THAT bad. But that's a long way from being 'pro-Jewish people'.
What happened to the idea of being neither pro, nor against Jewish people? Or blacks, whites, gays etc.? You walk in my shop, I'll try and make a few bucks out of you. I won't rip you off just because of the way you look or because you are in a gay couple. I'm not going to give you a discount either.
The fundamental problem with identitarian politics is it requires an antagonistic relationship among identity groups to function. And given identity is non-negotiable, it means politics ultimately comes down to force between those groups.
Quote from: Marchand;1126895What happened to the idea of being neither pro, nor against Jewish people? Or blacks, whites, gays etc.? You walk in my shop, I'll try and make a few bucks out of you. I won't rip you off just because of the way you look or because you are in a gay couple. I'm not going to give you a discount either.
The fundamental problem with identitarian politics is it requires an antagonistic relationship among identity groups to function. And given identity is non-negotiable, it means politics ultimately comes down to force between those groups.
It's the weaponising of the mindset that, if you're not a true ally who is actively pushing as hard as you can in favour of said identity group, your reservations or lack of drive - regardless of it being sex, race, gender identity, whatever - must come from a place of bigotry and therefore marking you as a sympathiser of OrangMan/Hitler and thus a heretic who must be made an example of to others.
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1126845Libertarians typically aren't inclined to believe that people should have a right to be protected from discrimination because 'government intervention'.
The main Libertarian point, as I've seen it, is that one person's "rights" shouldn't force other people to act against their own interests. If a company is forced to hire a specific person, then that isn't about rights, that's an abuse of government power. Same thing with pronouns forcing people to speak a certain way or forcing a baker to make a cake they don't want to make. Or, at the extreme end, the "healthcare is a right" which basically means that some doctor somewhere will be forced to treat your illness.
Protecting people from wrongful termination isn't (or shouldn't be) about rights, it is mainly about contract law and breaking said contracts.
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1126869The following article (https://mashable.com/article/how-to-be-antiracist/) gets at some of what I'm trying to say.
I don't know if you are quoting this article ironically, but it is incredibly idiotic. The guy makes the case that you are racists even if all you do is allow other racists to exist.
It's an incredibly destructive ideology. If you do something that, according to the ever changing rules, I consider to be racists, then you are a racists. If you are a racist and I allow you to "persist unchecked" than that would make me a racist. Thus, I need to turn on you and try to destroy your life.
Wanna have some fun with lefties?
Invite them to contribute to LGBT-friendly self-defense groups, like the Pink Pistols.
Then sit back and giggle as the 'guns are bad' gear in their heads seizes up against the 'pro-LGBT' gear, especially since (according to them) all LGBT types are now in danger from the death rays emanated from Donald Trump's hairdo.
Let's not start veering too far off topic, people.
Anti or pro, the only positions. It must be really hard to be a full on leftist. The mental energy each decision as to whether you like or dont like something...I guess that is why they all have to wait till the gate keepers tell them what they are allowed to think.
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1126869Edit -
The following article (https://mashable.com/article/how-to-be-antiracist/) gets at some of what I'm trying to say.
White slaveholders did not identify as 'not racist' because the term and concept 'racist' did not exist when there were white slaveholders. One ended in the 19th century, the other started in the 20th century.
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