Quote from: PookaIf you try to make a site that appeals to all demographics you'll come up with something that's mostly lifeless and bleh.  AD&D 2nd edition sans anything the Christian right could be offended by anyone?

Gleichman, I have a question for you: don't you think that the stupidity in 2nd edition, where they re-named devils and demons into random assemblages of letters was a bad thing?  It was a sop to religious types who are going to oppose roleplaying no matter what is done, anyway.  I think such weasely behavir is awful, no matter what group you are trying to suck up to.

Quote from: Levi KornelsenI think you're stretching the term.  But, still, I see your point, and it's true enough.

I don't think so at all.  The users of a place moderate discussion as much as the people in charge (assuming anyone is in charge at all), if not more.

Do you think I care about the theory discussions?  Most of the other Nutkins?  Nope.  Couldn't care less.  But that is where the discussion has gone and so we just go with it.  That's why Pooka put in the Fluff and Crunch forums -- to help you guys talk about what you want to talk about.

At the moment, you are as much a moderator as I am, because you choose to be.  You don't have any official power, but that doesn't matter.

Quote from: GunhildaGleichman, I have a question for you:

My sigh was in repect to the blanket painting of the "Christian Right", not the specifics of 2e.

Quote from: GunhildaDo you think I care about the theory discussions?  Most of the other Nutkins?  Nope.  Couldn't care less.  But that is where the discussion has gone and so we just go with it.  That's why Pooka put in the Fluff and Crunch forums -- to help you guys talk about what you want to talk about.

I do apologize for helping to inspire a binge of somewhat out-of-place theory - it tends to happen anywhere I go online, if it wasn't there already.  

Quote from: GunhildaAt the moment, you are as much a moderator as I am, because you choose to be.  You don't have any official power, but that doesn't matter.

The nutkin is scaring me.  Make it stop. Make the bad Nutkin go away.

Quote from: gleichmanMy sigh was in repect to the blanket painting of the "Christian Right", not the specifics of 2e.

I can't and won't speak for Pooka but, for me, it was the attempt at PC-ing the game to appeal to people who won't like it anyway that was the real problem, not the specific group.

I get just as pissed off when I read "Lizardfolk" in the current version instead of "Lizardmen".  Like we fucking care what genitalia they have!  Arrrgggghhhh!

Quote from: Levi KornelsenI do apologize for helping to inspire a binge of somewhat out-of-place theory - it tends to happen anywhere I go online, if it wasn't there already.

You don't have to apologize, though.  If that's what the audience wants, we'll help facilitate it.  It's definitely not the sort of conversations we've had on Nutkinland before, so it makes for an interesting change.

Who knows -- you might even make me care eventually.

Quote from: Levi KornelsenThe nutkin is scaring me.  Make it stop. Make the bad Nutkin go away.

:bow:  I live but to serve.

Quote from: GunhildaI can't and won't speak for Pooka but, for me, it was the attempt at PC-ing the game to appeal to people who won't like it anyway that was the real problem, not the specific group.

I have no fondness at all for the PC crowd.

Neither does a lot of other right-wing Christians.

Quote from: GunhildaI get just as pissed off when I read "Lizardfolk" in the current version instead of "Lizardmen".  Like we fucking care what genitalia they have!  Arrrgggghhhh!

Agreed, no reason to care, they are to be destroyed....

On the PC front, I'm all for not ticking people off, but I'm not going to change a whole pile of things simply to go out of my way to avoid it.

Quote from: cnath.rmOn the PC front, I'm all for not ticking people off, but I'm not going to change a whole pile of things simply to go out of my way to avoid it.

Personally, I'm all *for* pissing off people who take offense easily.  :heh:

Quote from: CyberzombiePersonally, I'm all *for* pissing off people who take offense easily.  :heh:

I can understand that point as well, I've enjoyed doing that at times in the past, :heh: and I'm sure that I will again.

Quote from: gleichmanSigh.

Who else where they trying *not* to offend Gleich?  I was introduced to D&D at Oneida Baptist Institute. When the faculty found our books they burned them, beat all involved severely and made us work 12 hour days turning pig manure piles in 100 degree temperatures for a month (There's a reason why survivors call that school Hellneida). I was 10.

Given what happened at that god-forsaken place I wonder sometimes why I have any faith left at all - but that's another topic.

TSR made it PC precisely because that's what they perceived members of that demographic wanted.

Quote from: PookaWho else where they trying *not* to offend Gleich?

I already answered this.

Quote from: CyberzombieTHE ENTIRE MOTHERFUCKING FAIR FOLK RULE BOOK, DUMBASS.

The *entire* thing was unclear.  No specific rule, no specific nothing: we're talking front to back, the rules are completely fucking obfuscated with her insanity.

Jesus Fucking Hallmark Christ.  Did you LOOK at the links I provided?  She writes that sort of shit in rule books, too.  I may love Exalted, but she is the fucking bane of the game.

I'm familiar with her. In fact, I've spoken to her a couple of times. I haven't seen anyone cite an actual system or page reference that they found unclear yet. Instead, I've seen people bleat in all caps and be pathetically broad, possibly because they are relectant to defend their opinions in the light of real evidence, and would rather harp about some webpage that doesn't have any roleplaying systems in it.

Personally, I think in Exalted: The Sidereals, Sidereal Astrology is poorly organized, but I'm not sure whether or not its her work. By contrast, her Sidereal MA charms are nice and crunchy and are accompanied by the kind of stylistic game setting descriptions you're on about.

The fact is, bitching about someone's game design by referring to elements that are not rules design is a clear sign of bullshit argument. Piss or get off the pot.

Quote from: PookaI was introduced to D&D at Oneida Baptist Institute. When the faculty found our books they burned them, beat all involved severely and made us work 12 hour days turning pig manure piles in 100 degree temperatures for a month (There's a reason why survivors call that school Hellneida). I was 10.

wow, that's some serious bullshit.  really.  

Quote from: shooting_diceThe fact is, bitching about someone's game design by referring to elements that are not rules design is a clear sign of bullshit argument. Piss or get off the pot.

I personally don't recall claiming to hate anything about her work other than the loopy prose.