Quote from: CyberzombieJesus Fucking Hallmark Christ.  Did you LOOK at the links I provided?  She writes that sort of shit in rule books, too.  I may love Exalted, but she is the fucking bane of the game.

Please tell me you're overstating that.

On second thought, nevermind. Isn't that sort of the reasonable given the general direction of WW? If one *starts* with Ann Rice, where else is there to go?

Quote from: John MorrowI don't know if that's entirely true.  The Usenet newsgroup rec.games.frp.advocacy managed to be very productive for several years, despite periodic hostile messages, without any moderation at all.  It was kept on track by a dedicated core of posters who would take everything anyone said seriously rather than feeding the flames, which would eventually encourage even the worst trolls to leave.  And I'm talking about the post-Eternal September Usenet, too.

:blahblah:

So sorry, you lose.  You can not win an argument about how moderation is unneccesary by posting an example of good moderation in action.

Quote from: John MorrowIf there is moderation, I would personally prefer it to be the sort that's on ENWorld, where the objective is to put a grandmother-friendly face on the hobby.  Basically, I think RPGpundit makes a good point about "lawn-crappers" in hobbies and let's just say that I'd rather a parent researching role-playing on the Internet because their child has expressed interest in it find ENWorld rather than RPGnet, this site, or even RPGpundit's blog.

Fuck the children.  

(Long time Nutkinlanders probably know who I am as soon as I say that.  Keep it under your hat, m'kay?   )

I think I can safely speak for the Nutkinland staff when I say I don't give a shit about "parents researching roleplaying games for their children".  What the fuck ever.  This site is moderated for the users, not for some fictional parents in la-la-land who actually check out what their kids are doing.

Not to mention I'd rather have my fictional kids go to a place where people act like adults than a passive-aggressive whinefest like fucking ENWorld.

Asshole.

Quote from: gleichmanPlease tell me you're overstating that.

On second thought, nevermind. Isn't that sort of the reasonable given the general direction of WW? If one *starts* with Ann Rice, where else is there to go?

I've got to get my DM to actually register here and post in this thread!

Yes, I'm serious.  She's not the only incompetent rules writer there -- I had to re-write the astrology rules to make them even work vaguely like they are supposed to -- but she's the worst offender by far.

Anyone who says differently hasn't actually read what she's written.

Quote from: CyberzombieI've got to get my DM to actually register here and post in this thread!

Yes, I'm serious.  She's not the only incompetent rules writer there -- I had to re-write the astrology rules to make them even work vaguely like they are supposed to -- but she's the worst offender by far.

Anyone who says differently hasn't actually read what she's written.

I can appreciate (some of) her fiction. I don't understand how she got free reins on the rules as well. Craziness.

Quote from: Dr_AvalancheI can appreciate (some of) her fiction. I don't understand how she got free reins on the rules as well. Craziness.

Because story type 'designers' and fans don't know the difference.

Quote from: GunhildaSo sorry, you lose.  You can not win an argument about how moderation is unneccesary by posting an example of good moderation in action.

The core people from .advocacy had no moderator powers at all.  Just a consensus on the kinds of thing that were going to be talked about.

Quote from: Levi KornelsenThe core people from .advocacy had no moderator powers at all.  Just a consensus on the kinds of thing that were going to be talked about.

Irrelevent and unimportant.  Re-read the line I highlighted.  The "core group" led the discussion and drove away trolls.  That is moderation, no matter how you dress it up.

Quote from: John MorrowI don't know if that's entirely true.  The Usenet newsgroup rec.games.frp.advocacy managed to be very productive for several years, despite periodic hostile messages, without any moderation at all.  It was kept on track by a dedicated core of posters who would take everything anyone said seriously rather than feeding the flames, which would eventually encourage even the worst trolls to leave.  And I'm talking about the post-Eternal September Usenet, too.

If there is moderation, I would personally prefer it to be the sort that's on ENWorld, where the objective is to put a grandmother-friendly face on the hobby.  Basically, I think RPGpundit makes a good point about "lawn-crappers" in hobbies and let's just say that I'd rather a parent researching role-playing on the Internet because their child has expressed interest in it find ENWorld rather than RPGnet, this site, or even RPGpundit's blog.

Most anything I would say in response was said by Gunhilda already, but an addendum. If you try to make a site that appeals to all demographics you'll come up with something that's mostly lifeless and bleh.  AD&D 2nd edition sans anything the Christian right could be offended by anyone?

ENWorld has it's niche. If that's the kinder gentler internet you seek then

:enw:

and leave us alone cause you don't belong here.  Does that bother me? Not in the slightest.

Quote from: PookaAD&D 2nd edition sans anything the Christian right could be offended by anyone?

Sigh.

Quote from: gleichmanOn second thought, nevermind. Isn't that sort of the reasonable given the general direction of WW? If one *starts* with Ann Rice, where else is there to go?

What does Exalted have to do with Anne Rice?  Did she write some manga I haven't heard about?

I'm starting to suspect you don't know what the fuck.

Quote from: MaddmanWhat does Exalted have to do with Anne Rice?  Did she write some manga I haven't heard about?

I'm starting to suspect you don't know what the fuck.

Exalted is a White Wolf product is it not? White Wolf published VtM which was influenced to a large extent by Anne Rice and in general built a market niche around the idea of being counter-cultural. Expanding that niche would on the face of it require...

Know what?

Nevermind. Forget I said anything.

Quote from: CyberzombieI double dog dare you bitches to read that and remain sane yourselves...

I think I'm still sane...  I'm questioning it so I think that's a good sign.  However that was very strange indeed...

Quote from: cnath.rmI think I'm still sane...  I'm questioning it so I think that's a good sign.  However that was very strange indeed...

Okay, so I hyperbolize.  I do that a lot.  

Still, it's the sort of thing I make other people read 'cause I want others to know and share in my pain.  :deviousgrin:

Quote from: CyberzombieSpecifically:

http://imago.hitherby.com/archives/000062.php

I double dog dare you bitches to read that and remain sane yourselves...

Quote from: BorgstromOne shouldn't encourage Sauron-Frodo slash. That's a growing problem for the Internet! So there's no sex here. Just a soft and tenderhearted story of love against all odds! As Frodo burns in those terrible flames of love, unconsumed and unconsummated, his eyes meet Sauron. They shiver with tenderness. He understands.

:win:

[EDIT as I've read more of the site] That stuff is funny is the I'm-bored-with-work-si-I'll-read-some-entertaining-nonsense-instead-way. Sort of like Algolei.

And you're a grumpy non-humorous bastard in the I'm-so-pissed-because-I-read-the-whole-damn-Sauron-and-Frodo-story-only-to-find-out-that-there-was-no-sex-way. Sort of like Gleichman.

Quote from: GunhildaIrrelevent and unimportant.  Re-read the line I highlighted.  The "core group" led the discussion and drove away trolls.  That is moderation, no matter how you dress it up.

I think you're stretching the term.  But, still, I see your point, and it's true enough.