Quote from: JongWKI actually bought the VHS from a video club, years ago.

That movie was aweful.  I don't know which one is worse- Hackers or Nowhere.

Both are movies that should have never happened.

Quote from: RPGPunditOk... and if its not classes, levels, dice types, or hit points, then what? What about the implementation makes you hate it?

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The handling of feats, base attack bonues, class abilities, and skills as separate things is not only clunky, it's an inelegant mess.

Ideally you'd have everything as a skill with classes defining the cost or availability of skills and not much else.  As in Rolemaster and the original Palladium games.  Rolemaster actually has my favourite implentation of spells as skills since learning them by the list gets rid of the two pages of spells most GURPS wizards wind up learning while still maintaining a specialized learning structure.

However, I'm also good with a straight class implementation like Castles & Crusades provided that there's a decent multiclassing option implemented.

I also feel that at the complexity level the feats and skills create, armour making you harder to hit is just a plain stupid holdover from Chainmail, where it made a little sense, though it's always buggered anyone who wanted to play a lightly armoured fighter.

While we're at it, the class / prestige class divide is really poorly done.  Either break it down into the four core classes and make everything else a prestige class or get rid of prestige classes all together.  If the core classes remained competitive it wouldn't bother me so much, but no, if you want to compete you've gotta chase the prestige classes.

Then there's the really wacky effective level modifiers for humanoid races, the really stupid list of monster summoning critters.

Classes and levels are functional controls on the kind of absurd characters people wind up making in GURPS, and while I feel there are better ways to avoid the guy with GUNS 25, Bloodlust, Lechery, and Hideous Appearance, I appreciate games that actually implement controls on that kind of crap.

But the number one problem is not enough funny critical tables...

I'm a D20 fan and I'm usually a GM.

...But not always.

Quote from: Blue DevilIt doesn't appear the Majority of the gamers here play D20.   If anything it seems like it's 50/50

True but there's the distinct bias that occurs because people who are into gaming enough to try other games are also more likely to be into gaming enough to talk about it on line.

Quote from: David JohansenTrue but there's the distinct bias that occurs because people who are into gaming enough to try other games are also more likely to be into gaming enough to talk about it on line.

That's not relevant to the goal of what I was doing this poll for. I wanted to figure out how many of the posters on this site were D20 fans. Coming into it, my natural hypothesis was that the majority of posters on here were D20 fans.
Now, it appears that I was wrong, and it is closer to a 50/50 split.

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Slightly weighted in the direction of the non-d20 crowd too.

You have to understand, I really wanted third edition D&D / d20 to be the great unifying game system.  And I think it could have been if they hadn't clung to D&D's sacred cows so tightly at the same time as looking for the infinitely expansible source book potential that seems to have been the number one goal of the design team.  "We can do books of presige classes, skills and feats forever!"

Quote from: David JohansenSlightly weighted in the direction of the non-d20 crowd too.

You have to understand, I really wanted third edition D&D / d20 to be the great unifying game system. And I think it could have been if they hadn't clung to D&D's sacred cows so tightly at the same time as looking for the infinitely expansible source book potential that seems to have been the number one goal of the design team. "We can do books of presige classes, skills and feats forever!"

Well then again as I have said the majority of gamers don't go online or onto message forums.  So this is hardly scientific.

Quote from: David JohansenSlightly weighted in the direction of the non-d20 crowd too.

You have to understand, I really wanted third edition D&D / d20 to be the great unifying game system.  And I think it could have been if they hadn't clung to D&D's sacred cows so tightly at the same time as looking for the infinitely expansible source book potential that seems to have been the number one goal of the design team.  "We can do books of presige classes, skills and feats forever!"

There's also a tendency for those who don't like D20 to not bother responding to D20 polls.  I almost didn't bother, and wouldn't have had I not been killing time.

Quote from: Tom BThere's also a tendency for those who don't like D20 to not bother responding to D20 polls.  I almost didn't bother, and wouldn't have had I not been killing time.

I figured what the hell.  I am amazed that this hasn't gone down in flames.  A lot of D20 polls/topics do.

I don't like D20 and won't play D20 but I sure as hell don't begrudge anyone who enjoys it.

To each their own.

Seeing that almost half the users here play D20, I think it would make a lot of sense to create a new D20-only sub-forum. What do you think, guys?  Guys?  Guys?  

I voted no on the poll. That being said I do like and play D&D 3.5 and would play a couple other fantasy games. Such as Conan D20. As I feel it matches fantasy play well. Almost all other things D20, especially D20 Modern. I dont care for.

Yes.......37........46.25%
No........43.........53.75%

So far I have to say the NOs win

now can the flaming begin?  :keke:

It depends on the iteration. Spycraft 2.0 is one of my favourite games, and is basically my go-to system for anything modern or more advanced. I also enjoy D&D on occasion, though after Spycraft, I do find it agonizingly primitive in comparison to more mature versions of d20. That said, when it first came out, I had no such complaints. On the other hand, when I ran a d20 Star Wars game, I was infuriated every week by a system that felt like it was fighting me every step of the way. So I guess I do like d20, but as d20 games have become more mature and sophisticated, my standards have gotten higher, to the point that I am now quite scathing of d20 games that haven't learned from the lessons of over five years of innovation.

Quote from: beebernow can the flaming begin?  :keke:

Only Johnny Storm or Johnny Blaze has the right to FLAME anyone
Ok, ok, another bad pun. But i just watched Ghost Rider the movie, and boy did I love it.