So apparently the Real Dolls company seeks to integrate AI into their dolls (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robot-sex_55f979f2e4b0b48f670164e9?cps=gravity_5020_1903954621879781809) and other companies are researching creating AI companions. Here is a more technical and philosophical article about AI robotic companions (http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/print/5801) (sexual and emotional).
Once past the "doing your toaster" part of the first article, there was an interesting discussion about people seeking electronic friendship and the potential for AIs in the future to carry on conversations with humans which is discussed in more depth in the second article.
So of course my brain went to D&D.
Right now, we have lots of gamers who play via Skype, but what if we could run our campaigns with Virtual Gamers?
Not just pornobots tossing dice at the table. I mean the idea that hey, I feel like running or playing Dark Heresy at 3am and boom, I dial up 4 Virtual Gamers on the computer who then become fellow gamers.
Unlike meat gamers, Virtual Gamers won't rage quit the campaign when their character dies, they won't flake out and skip games, and you can order a personal pizza instead of arguing who's paid for what slice.
Yes, I renamed all of you "meat gamers"
I wonder how soon the Sexbot will come with the "play Xbox with me" upgrade and the "enjoys watching football" app. And if the Sexbot can converse, it could roleplay...outside the bedroom.
What's even odder, is what happens when you go to your DM's house and two of the players at the table are actually Sexbots?
And what if the Sexbots are good gamers?
Any thoughts you obsolete meat sacks? :)
I'll only allow robots at my game table when they are allowed to vote.
This is also why some people want a full immersion VR.
There have been talks before, even back in the 90s of viable AIs as gaming partners. A few ideas bounced around for AI DMs as there seems ever a need for DMs.
Way back also in the 90s on a MUD I met a AI a friend had coded into the MUD. Did not know it at first as it acted just like a player. The lightning fast response times were the eventual giveaway. Thing was he could only run that one AI at it used up alot of processor. Apparently it learned over time in some way. Responses, rememberd players it had talked to. Places it had been.
A year or two ago ran into a new type of virus that would talk to you like a person on the infected computers messengers. Ran into two of those.
A cybernetic gamer would be interesting. If you set it up as a specialist program to one game system it might prove easier. A more broad spectrum AI will need alot more work to be able to adapt, or coding in its library of games it has expertise in.
That we'd rather game than have sex must say something about gamers. :p
I would play in an adventure run by a robot, but I would not GM for a table full of robot players. That just seems a little too pathetic.
Quote from: Spinachcat;857563Unlike meat gamers, Virtual Gamers won't rage quit the campaign when their character dies, they won't flake out and skip games, and you can order a personal pizza instead of arguing who's paid for what slice.
If they are real and human enough to be worth gaming with, they'll be real and human enough to be arseholes sometimes. Or even worse, they'll have
needs of their own.
QuoteI mean the idea that hey, I feel like running or playing Dark Heresy at 3am and boom, I dial up 4 Virtual Gamers on the computer who then become fellow gamers.
"You only call me when you're bored and lonely. When I called you at 3am you hung up on me. You don't really
care. I'm not gaming with you anymore."
I think you will be disappointed in your desire for sentient slaves.
Quote from: Spinachcat;857563Yes, I renamed all of you "meat gamers"
I wonder how soon the Sexbot will come with the "play Xbox with me" upgrade and the "enjoys watching football" app. And if the Sexbot can converse, it could roleplay...outside the bedroom.
What's even odder, is what happens when you go to your DM's house and two of the players at the table are actually Sexbots?
And what if the Sexbots are good gamers?
Any thoughts you obsolete meat sacks? :)
If they RP and role dice, no problem with them at my table.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;857580If they are real and human enough to be worth gaming with, they'll be real and human enough to be arseholes sometimes. Or even worse, they'll have needs of their own.
"You only call me when you're bored and lonely. When I called you at 3am you hung up on me. You don't really care. I'm not gaming with you anymore."
I think you will be disappointed in your desire for sentient slaves.
Nailed it. Even R2-D2 was a dick sometimes. Well, most of the time.
If AIs don't have any level of emotion, personal desire, or self-actualization, they will be shit to game with. I've played with people who weren't engaged or interested in what was going on at the table, and even when they tried to feign interest, they weren't fun to play with.
No gaming is better than bad robot gaming.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;857580"You only call me when you're bored and lonely. When I called you at 3am you hung up on me. You don't really care. I'm not gaming with you anymore."
Suspend the process (or the entire virtual machine that it's running on) to disk when it's not in use. Then the AI doesn't exist at 3am to call you and it just perceives the world as jumping directly from the end of one game to the beginning of the next with no intervening passage of time.
And to think we thought the end would come from Skynet, turns out our destroyer is Sexbot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgaveBEyFq4
Quote from: Ddogwood;857584Nailed it. Even R2-D2 was a dick sometimes. Well, most of the time.
He does look kind of phallic. I understand that might be why he's popular with female fans...
Quote from: CRKrueger;857598And to think we thought the end would come from Skynet, turns out our destroyer is Sexbot.
I, for one, welcome our new Sexbot Overlords.
Quote from: Nexus;857635I, for one, welcome our new Sexbot Overlords.
They're made in Japan, they have strap-ons.
Have any of you played a RPG where one or more players joined the game remotely via Skype? AKA, one of your players is a face on a screen and a voice from the speakers?
I've had that experience twice and I kinda creeped me out.
I was a big fan of Counterstrike on Xbox where you could ally with AI bots on your side. The AI was pretty weak, but remarkable for its time. Every time I was a table with a Skype player I kept imagining what if the player was just a program instead.
Quote from: David Johansen;857576That we'd rather game than have sex must say something about gamers. :p
What's interesting about discussions about sexbots is how many people are seeking "intimacy", not just sex. There is an interest in engaging in communication with the machine as a "persona"
Here's the scenario I see:
1. Bang the Toaster!
2. Now what?
3. Xbox? Watch TV?
4. ???
5. Hey, you wanna play D&D?
There was an interesting film a couple years ago called Lars and the Real Girl which lightly explored the concept of sexbot as companion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_and_the_Real_Girl
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;857580If they are real and human enough to be worth gaming with, they'll be real and human enough to be arseholes sometimes. Or even worse, they'll have needs of their own.
The sexbot AI concept discussed in the second article focuses on how sexbots would not have full sentient AI, but instead be designed more like pets. AKA, the programming would never achieve "human" sentience with a recognition of self and thus these robots would never have needs of their own (unless you bought that app).
Of course, to be worthwhile players in a RPG, how sentient does a robot need to be?
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;857580I think you will be disappointed in your desire for sentient slaves.
We've always had sentient slaves, but now we call them by polite terms like "minimum wage workers" or "outsourcing"
I expect humanity will love robotic workers.
A robotic "slave", especially when there is no actual sentience, would be hailed as a great forward step as they would accomplish tasks most humans would prefer not to perform (janitorial, dangerous tasks, monotonous tasks, prostitution, extreme hours, extreme temperatures, etc).
Of course, all robotics opens lots of questions and concerns regarding the future economy and need for an expanding population in a diminishing workforce.
Quote from: CRKrueger;857640They're made in Japan, they have strap-ons.
Futanari bots?
Quote from: nDervish;857595Suspend the process (or the entire virtual machine that it's running on) to disk when it's not in use. Then the AI doesn't exist at 3am to call you and it just perceives the world as jumping directly from the end of one game to the beginning of the next with no intervening passage of time.
Then you get the problem of treating the AI, who to be viable for RPG play is probably sentient, as just software.
Conversely taken to its extremes, by WW natch, in d20 GW they inserted fully sentient AIs into common household appliances and tools, even weapons. Allways on, allways aware. And going quietly insane from boredom, possibly sensory deprivation, and loneliness when discarded.
Yeah I would want my bots artificially intelligent but not sapient. The gaming ones that is. I'm pretty sure my wife would object to the sex ones, and it would be an odd conversation explaining the sexy new companion to the kids.
That said, I key off what my players are interested in when I GM and I'm not sure intelligent but not sapient would have a capacity for creative interests. So perhaps no bots unless they were just "people" like everyone else, who just happened to not be made of meat.
I'm lucky that when we all game online (which is most of the time, since we are spread across 3 time zones) the people I'm gaming with mostly consist of people I gamed with back in the 80s and 90s. So even if all I see is an icon, I know the person behind it, unless perhaps they have been synthesized since then.
Quote from: Settembrini;857564I'll only allow robots at my game table when they are allowed to vote.
That's funny... because the Turing A.I. is going to make sure you can't effectively vote, or that your vote is irrelevant, before you even know it is there.
Quote from: Settembrini;857564I'll only allow robots at my game table when they are allowed to vote.
I thought Germans could already vote.
Someday, unless we blow ourselves to smithereens, this is going to happen. May not be for 100 years or more, but someday.
I doubt I'll live that long, but if you actually had artificially intelligent physical robots, it would just be a matter of time before you get TOTAL WAR between them and our dice, which I am convinced are already sentient and probably possessed by spirits and demons.
Or maybe they'd just gang up on us.
I think a focused game playing AI is close. Possibly do-able even now to a lesser degree. Able to play a specific game like a player. But not very creative. The limitations being what its been coded to be.
And a year or two on SecondLife I met another free roaming AI someone was testing. It just flitted around and asked questions. But according to the programmer it was remembering things as it went, adding to its pool of information the more it interacted with people. (Preferrably ones that werent complete scum.) disk space was again the problem.
Any sort of mobile player AI today would probably be about the size of a horse.
Quote from: Omega;857741Any sort of mobile player AI today would probably be about the size of a horse.
That's a Mr.Ed sitcom re-imagining just waiting to happen.
Quote from: Omega;857575This is also why some people want a full immersion VR.
There have been talks before, even back in the 90s of viable AIs as gaming partners. A few ideas bounced around for AI DMs as there seems ever a need for DMs.
Way back also in the 90s on a MUD I met a AI a friend had coded into the MUD. Did not know it at first as it acted just like a player. The lightning fast response times were the eventual giveaway. Thing was he could only run that one AI at it used up alot of processor. Apparently it learned over time in some way. Responses, rememberd players it had talked to. Places it had been.
A year or two ago ran into a new type of virus that would talk to you like a person on the infected computers messengers. Ran into two of those.
A cybernetic gamer would be interesting. If you set it up as a specialist program to one game system it might prove easier. A more broad spectrum AI will need alot more work to be able to adapt, or coding in its library of games it has expertise in.
forgive me for asking but i was born about a decade to late so whats a MUD?
Quote from: kosmos1214;857792forgive me for asking but i was born about a decade to late so whats a MUD?
Young kids and your lack of knowledge of things before your time. Shameful! :p
MUD = Multi User Dungeon. Essentially a text-based MMO.
We survived the Toba eruption. We've survived the internet. I am sure we will survive sexbots just fine, if a bit more distracted.
The Toba eruption was crazy! It's the heart of the "Human Bottleneck" theory and worth a look for RPG setting ideas too!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory
Quote from: Thornhammer;857795Young kids and your lack of knowledge of things before your time. Shameful! :p
MUD = Multi User Dungeon. Essentially a text-based MMO.
ahahahhahaha thanks funnily enough im rather knowledgeable about stuff before my time its just this is the 1st time iv heard the term MUD and it sounds fun are there any still going or is it 100% dead now
and as to sexbots taking over the world only if they sing like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTJLX3an1To
Quote from: kosmos1214;857822ahahahhahaha thanks funnily enough im rather knowledgeable about stuff before my time its just this is the 1st time iv heard the term MUD and it sounds fun are there any still going or is it 100% dead now
Tons of them still out there, in large part because, if you have a fixed IP address available, they require basically no additional resources to run. The only hard part of keeping one alive is getting an active enough player base to make it worthwhile for people to visit.
Do a search for "list of muds" and you'll find plenty of them. I can't offer any recommendations because it's been about 20 years since I was last actively MUDding.
Quote from: Spinachcat;857819The Toba eruption was crazy! It's the heart of the "Human Bottleneck" theory and worth a look for RPG setting ideas too!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory
For a while I was going to try to do one based on it, but never quite got the concept to gel.
Quote from: kosmos1214;857792forgive me for asking but i was born about a decade to late so whats a MUD?
Text based MMOs. Long long before the advent of graphical MMOs.
MUDs are games. They have system rules, usually classes, most have quests/missions/whatevers and most have NPCs and MOBs to fight. Mobs being the mobile creatures to combat or interact with.
All the familliar RPG trappings are oft in place. Equipment, skills, magic or equivalents.
There are still quite a few out there. Ine of the best I ever played on was the Shadowrun MUD which translated about all the SR RPG rules into the game.
Popular with sight impaired players too.
The one I mentioned above, the creator plugged the AI into a player character account. Hence why it did not initially register as an AI.
MUD coders have been tinkering with various levels of mob AI for a long time now to get mobs that do more than follow a script.
Quote from: nDervish;857866Tons of them still out there, in large part because, if you have a fixed IP address available, they require basically no additional resources to run. The only hard part of keeping one alive is getting an active enough player base to make it worthwhile for people to visit.
Do a search for "list of muds" and you'll find plenty of them. I can't offer any recommendations because it's been about 20 years since I was last actively MUDding.
thanks ill have to peek around and see if i can find a few to try
Quote from: kosmos1214;858571thanks ill have to peek around and see if i can find a few to try
Try Mud Connector. http://www.mudconnect.com/ (http://www.mudconnect.com/)
Quote from: Omega;858580Try Mud Connector. http://www.mudconnect.com/ (http://www.mudconnect.com/)
thanks again
Read the reviews. Usually the more negative reviews the worse the sign. Any mud with "reviews disabled" is probably not a good sign either.
Note that some are not actual MUDs and are purely player run. Those tend to go to hell ASAP in some way. Avoud the PVP only muds too. Those go to hell right out the gate.
Back on the topic of AIs.
Some breakthroughs in MUD code now allow for NPCs that will pick up on ambient conversation in the location and even try to determine if they themselves are being spoken to or not. It can feel more lifelike than the ASK type commands.
Another interesting one was NPCs with a slightly fluid daily routine. Or even chat with other mobs as they go. Coded in conversations of course. But not 100% scripted.
Ever the push to get mobs with more than ELIZA level response routines.
If they can play, I don't care. I already allow any of the players to bring SOs and the like, if they can play, why would I care that the SOs are android or gyneid, respectively?
Well, my group is going to be mocking said player to his or her face, but that's normal for us and people that can't live with it are best advised not to apply.
You mock players for bringing their SOs to a session to play?
That seems a bit... fucked up.
Same goes for if someone brought a AI, mobile or non, with them to play. If it wants to play then why mock that?
Quote from: Omega;858997You mock players for bringing their SOs to a session to play?
That seems a bit... fucked up.
Same goes for if someone brought a AI, mobile or non, with them to play. If it wants to play then why mock that?
No, we welcome the SO and try to make him or her welcome:).
However, we tease people when they do something that gives an opportunity. And "my SO is an android" is a golden opportunity as far as we're concerned;)!
If you wonder why, it's simply because it means you're fucking a high-tech sex doll. Yes, we would consider that funny.
And yes, you can bring it to the table, but we're still going to treat it like your smartphone suddenly asking to play:D!
Quote from: Omega;858929Read the reviews. Usually the more negative reviews the worse the sign. Any mud with "reviews disabled" is probably not a good sign either.
Note that some are not actual MUDs and are purely player run. Those tend to go to hell ASAP in some way. Avoud the PVP only muds too. Those go to hell right out the gate.
Back on the topic of AIs.
Some breakthroughs in MUD code now allow for NPCs that will pick up on ambient conversation in the location and even try to determine if they themselves are being spoken to or not. It can feel more lifelike than the ASK type commands.
Another interesting one was NPCs with a slightly fluid daily routine. Or even chat with other mobs as they go. Coded in conversations of course. But not 100% scripted.
Ever the push to get mobs with more than ELIZA level response routines.
i prefer Dr. Sbaitso
Quote from: AsenRG;859009No, we welcome the SO and try to make him or her welcome:).
However, we tease people when they do something that gives an opportunity. And "my SO is an android" is a golden opportunity as far as we're concerned;)!
If you wonder why, it's simply because it means you're fucking a high-tech sex doll. Yes, we would consider that funny.
And yes, you can bring it to the table, but we're still going to treat it like your smartphone suddenly asking to play:D!
but what if you hurt her feelings ;p