Quote from: Slipshot762 on January 10, 2023, 07:45:06 AM
WEG star wars had the senator template.

Hey, now... even sex workers have some things they won't do for money. 

Quote from: Chris24601 on January 10, 2023, 08:22:15 AM

Quote from: Slipshot762 on January 10, 2023, 07:45:06 AM
WEG star wars had the senator template.

Hey, now... even sex workers have some things they won't do for money. 

   "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."
   "I doubt it--I worked in the Senate."
   --Dialogue from a Star Wars RPG session I played in many years ago.

QuoteWEG star wars had the senator template.

LOL ! I would say a sex worker was more honest

Only skimmed the first page.  If no one has mentioned it yet, Alpha Blue has a prostitute character class...

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/168961/Alpha-Blue

Oh, look... it's even on sale!

VS

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 04, 2022, 03:44:45 PM
All this yapyap about that Satine 'gamer personality/influencer/WTFE' (Honestly never heard of her till very recently, but I'm not into the big D or WW) and the fact she's mostly famous for doing porn and claiming she's big into gaming just got me to wondering about PCs who are partly or mostly 'sex workers'. (Prostitutes would be an acceptable term, but 'whore' in really negative, I reserve that for corrupt politicians mostly.)

I'm sure WW has gone there,  but find it unlikely DnD has.  Still, I wondered what games have had sex worker character types available and how they dealt with them.  Just gamer curiousity. I could see some traveller games at least hinting at it.

In Apocalypse World all classes (called playbooks there) have a "sex move", which is implied to be just another currency used for barter/social leverage in it's apocalyptic setting. Each move works different and is tied thematically to archetype. There's one class, the Skinner, which is explicitely a sex artist, having "escort/companionship" as a job listed in it's downtime activities. It's class powers are all related to seduction as a form of art.

I believe Shadow of the Demon Lord has a prostitute occupation (but I don't have the book with me). Pretty sure Barbarians of Lemuria Mythic Edition has something like that in it to.

I think most games that have a prostitute option have it as a background rather than as a proper class/profession/archetype. I would guess that is because in most settings, you wouldn't expect a prostitute to also be an adventurer, and if they were, they'd likely stop prostituting as soon as they scored their first big treasure.

EDIT: I was right about SOTDL. Barbarians of Lemuria ME just has a "Temptress" career which they note could mean a courtesan or serving-wench.

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 04, 2022, 03:44:45 PM
I'm sure WW has gone there,  but find it unlikely DnD has.

Official D&D, I highly doubt it, but given how many sex-based D&D supplements have been published (Blue Magic, Book of Erotic Fantasy, Roll for Seduction etc.), I would bet a decent sum of money that there is a published prostitute class out there for  D&D.

Quote from: ForgottenF on January 11, 2023, 04:27:43 PMI think most games that have a prostitute option have it as a background rather than as a proper class/profession/archetype. I would guess that is because in most settings, you wouldn't expect a prostitute to also be an adventurer, and if they were, they'd likely stop prostituting as soon as they scored their first big treasure.

Makes sense. That's why I think this "class" work better for low powered/money games.

Quote from: VengerSatanis on January 11, 2023, 11:28:02 AM

Only skimmed the first page.  If no one has mentioned it yet, Alpha Blue has a prostitute character class...

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/168961/Alpha-Blue

Oh, look... it's even on sale!

VS

Looks naughty.
It's always been an open rumor/joke that some people play RPGs for their kinks (hence the "Whizzard" comic, some of the jokes in the Community etc), but I have never seen it happen. Not even the few times I played with my SO only.

Quote from: Itachi on January 11, 2023, 05:20:10 PM

Quote from: ForgottenF on January 11, 2023, 04:27:43 PMI think most games that have a prostitute option have it as a background rather than as a proper class/profession/archetype. I would guess that is because in most settings, you wouldn't expect a prostitute to also be an adventurer, and if they were, they'd likely stop prostituting as soon as they scored their first big treasure.

Makes sense. That's why I think this "class" work better for low powered/money games.

And for games where your PCs are assumed to have regular occupations they go back to between adventures. It'd be a natural fit for both WFRP and Call of Cthulhu, but since those are "mainstream" games, they'll hint at it rather than come out and say it.

Quote from: Trond on January 11, 2023, 06:40:11 PM

Quote from: VengerSatanis on January 11, 2023, 11:28:02 AM
If no one has mentioned it yet, Alpha Blue has a prostitute character class...

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/168961/Alpha-Blue

VS

Looks naughty.
It's always been an open rumor/joke that some people play RPGs for their kinks (hence the "Whizzard" comic, some of the jokes in the Community etc), but I have never seen it happen. Not even the few times I played with my SO only.

In my experience, sexuality in TTRPGs falls into one of four broad categories.

Straighforward Erotic Roleplay - sexual content for sexual reasons. Not my bag, but easy to understand.

Covert/Unintentional ERP - People slipping things into the game (consciously or not), because those things are sexually interesting to them. Certain fetishes (furries, vore, transformation etc.) seem to have a bad rep for doing this, but it could be as innocent as a GM making NPCs based on qualities they find atractive.

"Serious" ERP (for lack of a better term) - Sexuality put into the game because someone thinks it has narrative or artistic merit. This could be atsy-fartsyness, or it could just be something the GM/players thought was necessary to be faithful to the genre or setting.

Burlesque - Sexuality meant to amuse rather than arouse. This I think is drastically the most common form, to the point where it's appeared in some way or another in almost every game I've ever played in. Fact is that at a certain base level, RPGs appeal to the 14 year old in all of us, and are often an excuse for otherwise serious adults to behave immaturely. Naked people are funny and sexual misadventures for a punchline are as old as Greek Comedy. I can't speak for Venger, but on a cursory look at Alpha Blue, it looks like this is the camp he's planting his flag in.

Quote from: Trond on January 11, 2023, 06:40:11 PM

Quote from: VengerSatanis on January 11, 2023, 11:28:02 AM

Only skimmed the first page.  If no one has mentioned it yet, Alpha Blue has a prostitute character class...

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/168961/Alpha-Blue

Oh, look... it's even on sale!

VS

Looks naughty.
It's always been an open rumor/joke that some people play RPGs for their kinks (hence the "Whizzard" comic, some of the jokes in the Community etc), but I have never seen it happen. Not even the few times I played with my SO only.

It is naughty.  Some people don't want any sex or sleaze or eroticism in their gaming.  That's fine.  I'm one of the few that do, but it all stays in-game.  Never had a session turn into an orgy.

Quote from: ForgottenF on January 11, 2023, 08:07:56 PM
In my experience, sexuality in TTRPGs falls into one of four broad categories.

Straighforward Erotic Roleplay - sexual content for sexual reasons. Not my bag, but easy to understand.

Covert/Unintentional ERP - People slipping things into the game (consciously or not), because those things are sexually interesting to them. Certain fetishes (furries, vore, transformation etc.) seem to have a bad rep for doing this, but it could be as innocent as a GM making NPCs based on qualities they find atractive.

"Serious" ERP (for lack of a better term) - Sexuality put into the game because someone thinks it has narrative or artistic merit. This could be atsy-fartsyness, or it could just be something the GM/players thought was necessary to be faithful to the genre or setting.

Burlesque - Sexuality meant to amuse rather than arouse. This I think is drastically the most common form, to the point where it's appeared in some way or another in almost every game I've ever played in. Fact is that at a certain base level, RPGs appeal to the 14 year old in all of us, and are often an excuse for otherwise serious adults to behave immaturely. Naked people are funny and sexual misadventures for a punchline are as old as Greek Comedy. I can't speak for Venger, but on a cursory look at Alpha Blue, it looks like this is the camp he's planting his flag in.

I'm not sure what you mean by serious erotic role-playing. I'm thinking about many games where it's been normal for PCs to be in romantic relationships - like being married, or having a romantic partner. Sex was presumed to happen for such couples, but that was always off-screen. For example, if traveling, they'd have a room to themselves rather than sharing quarters with other PCs.

Would you consider that erotic role-playing? If so, that seems like a confusing label to me. That said, there have been a subset of those games that had scenes with romantic/sexual tension in the dialog - which could more reasonably be called erotic, though it's very much a sliding scale.

Having PC sex workers has been much less common for me, but it hasn't been any more erotic than these. I noted before my Firefly/Serenity one-shot games, where all the pregen PCs were running a Companion's Guild ship.

https://www.darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/serenity/

There was nothing erotic about the role-playing, as I would describe it. There was some talk about taking jobs while traveling, but the focus was on guild issues - which could be security related, economic, or political. If sex happened, it was off-screen.

Basically, I don't think sex work as a profession is any more inherently erotic than PCs having spouses or partners.

Quote from: ForgottenF on January 11, 2023, 08:07:56 PMAnd for games where your PCs are assumed to have regular occupations they go back to between adventures. It'd be a natural fit for both WFRP and Call of Cthulhu, but since those are "mainstream" games, they'll hint at it rather than come out and say it.

If anyone's ever seen the Netflix historical mystery series Babylon Berlin, which is set in Berlin during the late '20s and early '30s (and yes, is explicitly depicted against the historical rise to power of Nazism), one of the main protagonists there is a young woman who is working to become Berlin's first female police detective, but holds both a day job as a stenographer and moonlights as a prostitute at one of the city's major nightclubs. The CoC supplement Berlin: The Wicked City notes that as many as 50,000 young women would sometimes turn tricks for part-time income at the very least.

Quote from: ForgottenF on January 11, 2023, 08:07:56 PMIn my experience, sexuality in TTRPGs falls into one of four broad categories.

Straighforward Erotic Roleplay - sexual content for sexual reasons. Not my bag, but easy to understand.

Covert/Unintentional ERP - People slipping things into the game (consciously or not), because those things are sexually interesting to them. Certain fetishes (furries, vore, transformation etc.) seem to have a bad rep for doing this, but it could be as innocent as a GM making NPCs based on qualities they find atractive.

"Serious" ERP (for lack of a better term) - Sexuality put into the game because someone thinks it has narrative or artistic merit. This could be atsy-fartsyness, or it could just be something the GM/players thought was necessary to be faithful to the genre or setting.

Burlesque - Sexuality meant to amuse rather than arouse. This I think is drastically the most common form, to the point where it's appeared in some way or another in almost every game I've ever played in. Fact is that at a certain base level, RPGs appeal to the 14 year old in all of us, and are often an excuse for otherwise serious adults to behave immaturely. Naked people are funny and sexual misadventures for a punchline are as old as Greek Comedy. I can't speak for Venger, but on a cursory look at Alpha Blue, it looks like this is the camp he's planting his flag in.

How would you classify the kind of sexual content seen in Apocalypse World and their brethren, which take the form of "sex moves", used as leverage to pull strings/manipulate PCs/NPCs. Not so different from what's seen in emseble cast TV shows. I feel like it falls on your "serious" category above.

Quote from: ForgottenF on January 11, 2023, 04:27:43 PM
I believe Shadow of the Demon Lord has a prostitute occupation (but I don't have the book with me). Pretty sure Barbarians of Lemuria Mythic Edition has something like that in it to.

I think most games that have a prostitute option have it as a background rather than as a proper class/profession/archetype. I would guess that is because in most settings, you wouldn't expect a prostitute to also be an adventurer, and if they were, they'd likely stop prostituting as soon as they scored their first big treasure.

EDIT: I was right about SOTDL. Barbarians of Lemuria ME just has a "Temptress" career which they note could mean a courtesan or serving-wench.

Of course you were right about SotDL. But even better is that there isn't a standardized list of defined professions across any board for it. Had someone choose to be a porn star in Godless. She decided to also model for Apocalyptic Warmistresses Monthly Magazine.

It was fun and games. Up until she met the Scatalogical Sorcerer Supreme, anyway.