Quote from: BedrockBrendan;672600Again, I was responding to a pattern of behavior. Every time I have had to step in and remind people not to disrupt a thread lately, the common denominator has been you.

The regulars seem to all have very similar attitudes. That isn't surprising. Despite all the preening about how the "in crowd/out crowd" social dynamics are a thing of the past, people who do not agree with the majority in a web forum generally get driven out, subtly or not, in short order. I'm unusual in that I don't just quietly go away.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;672600Please feel free to report other instances of disruption to bring them to our attention.

The last time a forum moderator (elsewhere, obviously) told me that, I was banned specifically for following that instruction.

You want these by PM, or in replies in the thread?

Quote from: One Horse Town;672601Cry me a river blubber-boy. :boohoo:

Now, for all the knuckleheads and the hard of reading, this thread is not about taustin or mcbobbo, but the quandary that the OP posted.

Now that you've gotten your namecalling in.

Quote from: One Horse Town;672601Get back to that please or i'm most likely going to go next door and kick their cat and we wouldn't want that would we.

Note, Brendan, that there is zero on-topic content here. Only somebody who apparently wishes they were a mod, acting like they are.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;672602Dismissal of an rpg related idea is on topic. My job here isn't to make sure everyone gets along, or is nice. My only concern is that the site isn't being disrupted by posters consistently taking threads off topic.

Once again, I was trying to talk about how something that looks like a min/max optimization can, in fact, be a perfectly legitimate character concept. Did you miss that the first couple of times I mentioned it? mcbobbo got snotty about it, because he doesn't agree, and at no point acknowldged the example I gave.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;672602If you feel you were treated unfairly, that is fine. Take it to the help desk or PM pundit. I am entirely open to the other mods looking at the threads and judging whether I made the correct call here.

I'm not generally prone to whining to teacher about the playground bully. And it's generally not very productive to encourage me to do so.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;672602But note, I issued more than one general warning to everyone, then I singled you out for mention when you continued and when it was clear to me this was occuring over more than one thread. And I didn't take any actual action. You are not banned, you have no official warning on your account. You have just been asked to please not disrupt the site.

And after at least some of those warnings, mcbobbo took to his back and forth with whoever it was about me, and nothing else, without being called out.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;672603I imagine that it's partly "bad gaming is better than no gaming."

I suspect there's a large element of truth to that. But I have a hard time believing it's universal, or even a majority. And there's no easy answer to that. For me, if it isn't fun, I won't bother. And if that means no gaming at all, there are lots of other things I can occupy my recreational time with, including going to the beach an counting bikinis (a little more often). And it's certainly easy to say "well, you should get a life and get out of the basement" (I have, many times), but we all know it's not that simple for some people.

It would be far more productive if this thread talked about ways to get the message to the people who are at these events and clearly not enjoying themselves that there are other ways, but this started off as a bitch-fest, and bitch-fest it will remain.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;672603Most of the DMs and players are likely reasonable, but there's always a bad apple among the lot.  And perhaps the min/maxxer does not realize he is ruining the game for everyone else.  Perhaps he asked for help in building a character for the game on the Paizo forums.  Perhaps the GM is reading the rules wrong.  Who knows?

Not, I suspect, the people bitching the loudest about it.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;672603Point being, I would never sign up for any sort of organized play because the DM ought to be able to customize the game for the group.  If the group is filled with new players, for instance, it is likely that their characters will be substantially weaker than those of experienced players.  They'll die quickly in any sort of organized play, which is not fun for the DM or the players.  Shouldn't the DM be able to change the encounters based on what suits his players?

And there's the rub. This sort of event should be used to bring in new customers. And the way they're being run doesn't really do that. It caters to existing customers, and rewards them for behavior that actively drives away new potential customers.

Were I in charge of such a program, I would encourage GMs to house rule the shit out of things, and encourage players to drift from table to table, to see just how much creative freedom there is in roleplaying games. Don't like the way this GM is letting his buddy min/max a character to dominate the game? No problem. There's another table with a different GM a few feet away.

Quote from: mcbobbo;672604Which is a better fit?

It depends on the game. In a game that isn't focused on combat, being a badass is just another piece of background info, like being rich in a game where nobody tracks money or driving a Ferrari in a game without car chases.

The ability to dominate in combat doesn't matter in all games.

Quote from: taustin;672611Note, Brendan, that there is zero on-topic content here. Only somebody who apparently wishes they were a mod, acting like they are.

One Horse Town is a mod. I would heed what he said.

Taustin, as a general rule I disagree with eveveryone here - especially when we actually agree.  The reason you're being a jerk is because you're spamming the thread with multiple replies.  

There is a multi-quote function that allows you to respond to multiple quotes at once.

As for the 'lack of imagination' you claim to have discerned is entirely off base.  This thread is about a scenario that the GM has been instructed not to change, and combat is a major portion of the module.   Discussion of challenges apart from combat is only tangentially relevant - thus your aside did not appear worthy of a response.

Feel free to disagree,  but please try to put it in a single post.

Quote from: taustin;672610The last time a forum moderator (elsewhere, obviously) told me that, I was banned specifically for following that instruction.

You want these by PM, or in replies in the thread?

If you want to report posts, use the report function.

Quote from: taustin;672611Note, Brendan, that there is zero on-topic content here. Only somebody who apparently wishes they were a mod, acting like they are.

Look harder.

Now, don't fucking reply to this in this thread. Take it to PM if you must. Things are getting back on track now, let's keep it that way.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;672623One Horse Town is a mod. I would heed what he said.

Your posts say you are. His don't. It isn't much of a clue when a mod engages in namecalling.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;672624Taustin, as a general rule I disagree with eveveryone here - especially when we actually agree.  The reason you're being a jerk is because you're spamming the thread with multiple replies.

There is a multi-quote function that allows you to respond to multiple quotes at once.

Seems clumsy to me, and it certainly isn't obvious. Where is it?

Quote from: deadDMwalking;672624As for the 'lack of imagination' you claim to have discerned is entirely off base.  This thread is about a scenario that the GM has been instructed not to change, and combat is a major portion of the module.   Discussion of challenges apart from combat is only tangentially relevant - thus your aside did not appear worthy of a response.

It veered off that topic long before I jumped in.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;672624Feel free to disagree,  but please try to put it in a single post.

Point me at that fuction. I see no hint of it.

Quote from: taustin;672630Your posts say you are. His don't. It isn't much of a clue when a mod engages in namecalling.

All mods have The Machine Kills Fascists near their avatar. I just informed you he is a mod. Moving forward, I can assume you know he is a mod. You have been asked to stop with this line of questioning here and get back on topic.

Just to the right of the quote button is another button that looks a little like a stack of paper.  Click on that button for every post you are responding to.  You can either click quote on the last one you want or hit 'reply' after marking all of the posts you plan to respond to.

Quote from: taustin;672633Seems clumsy to me, and it certainly isn't obvious. Where is it?



It veered off that topic long before I jumped in.



Point me at that fuction. I see no hint of it.

This part of the discussion is over. If you have questions about posting or features ask them at the help desk.

Seriously Taustin, stop or I will ban you for real.

Well, this has escalated beyond the norm, so to save all involved, i'm just going to close the thread.

Sorry, mcbobbo. Feel free to start a new thread if you want to carry on the convo.