Quote from: Jackalope;257339I'd kick you out of a group for making a character like that.  Stupid pointless edgy crap that serves no purpose at all.  I mean seriously, where the development in a character like that?  There isn't any.  It's just stupid "look at me! look at me!  I'm being EDGY!" garbage.

It serves essentially the same purpose as playing a 12-year-old deckhand in a historical naval game, only in this case, it's history forward, not history backward, if that makes any sense. It's about the essential animalism of humanity, and is a reflection in fiction of the real 12-year-old murderers who grow up in abhorrent circumstances, in this case, wrecked inner cities. Such people don't question the basic morality that drives people in more civilized times, because they cannot rise high enough on Maslow's hierarchy of needs to have the luxury of worrying about such things; Deke was trapped between Safety and Love/Belonging, at the very edge of that line, where many modern gang members in extremely dangerous environments spend their brief lives.

But that's all tripe to you, anyway. You'd hate a game that worried about things like that, was inspired by such wasteful, introspective drivel. And that's fine with me.

Quote from: Jackalope;257339But you probably played that character once, if you aren't just making shit up.

Well, you could click the link and see I'm not making shit up, but yes, I played him once, in a play-by-post game, which is like 1000 times in PBP "dog years." :rotfl:

Quote from: Jackalope;257339And we don't need to shun and ridicule you, you're not actually part of the gaming hobby.  You're just Serious Paul's boyfriend who he games with a few times a year.

Uh, no. I'm Serious Paul's boyfriend who he games with a few times a month. Duh! Seriously, the guy's got a wife, and they have two girlfriends; how much time do you think he has for fucking me? Well, also, we're both straight, but don't let petty facts get in the way of your ridicule.

Quote from: Idinsinuation;257357It all depends on context and level of detail, that argument is too vague for this discussion.

Which is, sort of, what I mean, only more reasonably framed.

Quote from: Engine;257491Which is, sort of, what I mean, only more reasonably framed.

Ah ok.

Quote from: Engine;257490It serves essentially the same purpose as playing a 12-year-old deckhand in a historical naval game, only in this case, it's history forward, not history backward, if that makes any sense. It's about the essential animalism of humanity, and is a reflection in fiction of the real 12-year-old murderers who grow up in abhorrent circumstances, in this case, wrecked inner cities. Such people don't question the basic morality that drives people in more civilized times, because they cannot rise high enough on Maslow's hierarchy of needs to have the luxury of worrying about such things; Deke was trapped between Safety and Love/Belonging, at the very edge of that line, where many modern gang members in extremely dangerous environments spend their brief lives.

But that's all tripe to you, anyway. You'd hate a game that worried about things like that, was inspired by such wasteful, introspective drivel. And that's fine with me.

Engine, you're talking directly out of your ass. I guess I don't mind, since no one here takes you seriously, but maybe you should consider asking some questions instead of just leaping to wildly unsupported and incorrect conclusions.

I mean seriously: fuck you Engine.  I'm the guy who invented post-traumatic stress disorder rules to model the slow degradation of an adventurers humanity and sanity in the face of bloodshed.

One of my current characters, Carmen Fortunado, has watched her alignment shift ever so glacially towards lawful evil as she becomes more and more obsessed with combating evil by any means necessary, and let me tell you that journey of hers as very much been inspired by "wasteful, introspective drivel."

That said, you're still a fucking loser, and I wouldn't let you play in my game.  I mean seriously, a twelve year old psychopath? That's some boring, inane, "look at me be edgy" crap.

You can spout off about Maslow's heirarchy of needs til you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day either you're totally misrepresenting the charcater, or you're attempt to create a deep and meaningful character is a sad and pathetic exercise in being a lame, unimaginative lawncrapper.

QuoteWell, you could click the link and see I'm not making shit up, but yes, I played him once, in a play-by-post game, which is like 1000 times in PBP "dog years." :rotfl:

That's not real gaming.

QuoteUh, no. I'm Serious Paul's boyfriend who he games with a few times a month. Duh! Seriously, the guy's got a wife, and they have two girlfriends; how much time do you think he has for fucking me? Well, also, we're both straight, but don't let petty facts get in the way of your ridicule.

Dude, I so don't want to know anything about your sad and pathetic sex lives.  Really, I did not want to know that Paul was a poly.  Now you guys are just that much creepier and sad.

Quote from: Jackalope;257765I'm the guy who invented post-traumatic stress disorder rules to model the slow degradation of an adventurers humanity and sanity in the face of bloodshed.

"You can spout off about [post-traumatic stress disorder] til you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day either you're totally misrepresenting the charcater, or you're attempt to create a deep and meaningful character is a sad and pathetic exercise in being a lame, unimaginative lawncrapper."

Quote from: Jackalope;257765One of my current characters, Carmen Fortunado, has watched her alignment shift ever so glacially towards lawful evil as she becomes more and more obsessed with combating evil by any means necessary, and let me tell you that journey of hers as very much been inspired by "wasteful, introspective drivel."

"I'd kick you out of a group for making a character like that. Stupid pointless edgy crap that serves no purpose at all. I mean seriously, where the [originality] in a character like that? There isn't any. It's just stupid 'look at me! look at me! I'm being EDGY!' garbage."

Fortunately, it's easy to tell where your writing leaves off and mine begins. You know, from the spelling and punctuation. No discredit to you, of course, mine's just, you know, better.

Quote from: Jackalope;257765That's not real gaming.

Interesting. Many of the games I've enjoyed most have been play-by-post, and I certainly felt they were "real gaming." I'm not sure why you wouldn't, but that's fine.

Quote from: Jackalope;257765Dude, I so don't want to know anything about your sad and pathetic sex lives.  Really, I did not want to know that Paul was a poly.  Now you guys are just that much creepier and sad.

Hey, don't say "you guys!" I'm very much a one-woman-at-a-time kind of guy most of the time. I'm not saying if a second woman should be involved, I'm out the room, but I'm an old man, and I smoke, and I just don't feel like I can give proper attention to a pile of women at once.

Hey, you're the one who brought up my sex life. Prurient pisspot.

Quote from: Engine;257794"You can spout off about [post-traumatic stress disorder] til you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day either you're totally misrepresenting the charcater, or you're attempt to create a deep and meaningful character is a sad and pathetic exercise in being a lame, unimaginative lawncrapper."

I wasn't talking about a character, I was talking about a recurring theme in my games.  So, pretty asinine use of my own quote there.  A real failure of reading comprehension.

Quote"I'd kick you out of a group for making a character like that. Stupid pointless edgy crap that serves no purpose at all. I mean seriously, where the [originality] in a character like that? There isn't any. It's just stupid 'look at me! look at me! I'm being EDGY!' garbage."

It's hardly 'edgy'.  The noble warrior whose humanity is the first casualty of war a common theme in western literature that has been explored many times.  It also has strong personal relevance to me, given who my dad is.

Twelve-year old axe-weilding psychopaths who gleefully murder people are far more edgy.

QuoteFortunately, it's easy to tell where your writing leaves off and mine begins. You know, from the spelling and punctuation. No discredit to you, of course, mine's just, you know, better.

Too bad it didn't amount to an actual response, and really just made you look dim-witted.

QuoteInteresting. Many of the games I've enjoyed most have been play-by-post, and I certainly felt they were "real gaming." I'm not sure why you wouldn't, but that's fine.

Because real gaming is a social activity that occurs around a table (generally).  Play by post gaming is more like collaborative story writing.

QuoteHey, you're the one who brought up my sex life. Prurient pisspot.

No, I didn't.  When I say you're Paul's boyfriend, I'm not talking about your sex life.  I'm commenting on the way the two of you operate like a tag-team, finishing each others thoughts, carrying on each others arguments, leaping to each others defense, as if you were a couple.  Hell, I'm not even calling you two gay, I've made it pretty clear I think Paul's a big girl.  Seriously man, learn to read.  I've made this quite explicit several times.

Quote from: Jackalope;257843I wasn't talking about a character, I was talking about a recurring theme in my games.

Oh, damn. You're quite right. I should have said, "You can spout off about [post-traumatic stress disorder] til you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day either you're totally misrepresenting the [theme of the game], or you're attempt to create a deep and meaningful [theme] is a sad and pathetic exercise in being a lame, unimaginative lawncrapper."

Quote from: Jackalope;257843It's hardly 'edgy'.  The noble warrior whose humanity is the first casualty of war a common theme in western literature that has been explored many times.

And the child warrior who has grown up in conditions we would consider horrific is, as well. Maybe...wow, maybe both characters are valid, and neither are just "edgy," whatever that is!

Quote from: Jackalope;257843Because real gaming is a social activity that occurs around a table (generally).  Play by post gaming is more like collaborative story writing.

I don't think it has to be. I think your definition of "real gaming" is unnecessarily limited, and perhaps you should broaden your horizons to include other sorts of games than the ones you prefer. Your "real" is not the only real.

Quote from: Jackalope;257843When I say you're Paul's boyfriend, I'm not talking about your sex life.  I'm commenting on the way the two of you operate like a tag-team, finishing each others thoughts, carrying on each others arguments, leaping to each others defense, as if you were a couple.

Oh, shit, you mean Paul and I are friends who agree on things? Shit, I've got boyfriends all over the place, then! Maybe a different word would be appropriate; something like "friend who agrees on things," rather than "boyfriend," which already has a meaning, which isn't "friend who agrees on things." I'm sorry if you don't have any friends here who agree with you; that must be very difficult. Probably explains all the pot smoking you do while posting. Don't drown your sorrows, man; just make some friends. And then have opinions someone might share.

Oh, damn it. Bad Engine! No petrol. I know it's Friday and I'm feeling amusement-filled, but glee isn't any better a reason to toss feces about. My apologies to readers of the thread who were distressed by my diversion with Jack; my only defense is absence of malice, and it's not a particularly good one.

Please feel free to continue, Jack, but I feel I've personally let myself down in terms of the behavior I expect from myself, so I shall bow out in personal shame.

Quote from: Jackalope;257843Because real gaming is a social activity that occurs around a table (generally).  Play by post gaming is more like collaborative story writing.

Only if there is no resolution system whatsoever involved: otherwise it's just like playing at a table, except for longer (much longer) delays between each turn.

My players come up with underage characters from time to time, mostly in one-shot games. One of the best was a "kid hacker" who somehow managed not to be boring or lame.

One of my players in a recent action / comedy Risus game (my wife) ended up playing the cliched, oversexed, underage ninja schoolgirl. It was done for laughs and not explicit at all, and didn't cause any problems.

But my group is all close friends, and we know each other's boundaries quite well. I wouldn't pull something like that in my more casually acquainted gaming group.

Quote from: GrimGent;257884Only if there is no resolution system whatsoever involved: otherwise it's just like playing at a table, except for longer (much longer) delays between each turn.

Those much larger delays significantly alter the nature of the game into something other than what I think of as gaming, which I automatically apply "tabletop" to.

PBP gaming is "gaming," but it's not tabletop gaming anymore than video games are "gaming."

But hey, YMMV.

Quote from: ticopelp;257953But my group is all close friends, and we know each other's boundaries quite well.

Careful, according to Jack this makes you all homosexuals.

Quote from: Engine;257850And the child warrior who has grown up in conditions we would consider horrific is, as well. Maybe...wow, maybe both characters are valid, and neither are just "edgy," whatever that is!

Really? that's a feature of western literature? Could you please give an example?

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Quote from: Serious Paul;258178Careful, according to Jack this makes you all homosexuals.

Two of them are homosexuals. I guess that means Jackalope won't come to our games. Although he also wouldn't come because the group allows women and talking in-character. The list is getting pretty long, come to think of it.

Quote from: ticopelp;258260Two of them are homosexuals. I guess that means Jackalope won't come to our games. Although he also wouldn't come because the group allows women and talking in-character. The list is getting pretty long, come to think of it.

I don't know where you're getting the idea that I have some kind of problem with homosexuals.  One of the best players I ever had was gay.  He's the guy who introduced me to Ninjas & Superspies.  And I've never said I won't game with women (there are two women in my Pathfinder Society group).  And finally, I only said that people who want to have trivial in-character conversations with trivial background characters annoy me, not that I'm opposed to all in-character talking.

Seriously, I wish you knuckleheads would actually pay some fucking attention.  If you're going to bash me, at least know what the fuck you're talking about.