Quote from: Baron;757398Seems like there are two topics in these threads:

- Why won't you buy and play 5E?
- Don't you know that you have to, to support our hobby?

So, my answers.

- I haven't bought a TSR/WOTC/Hasbro D&D product since 1st ed AD&D. Why would I start now? I already own and play games that I love. That fill the fantasy sword & sorcery class-based rpg niche. I don't buy a car unless I need a new car. And I don't need a new car.

This.  I am happy to support WotC when they publish for the game I am going to play (1E); I bought most of the reprints.  But I've been playing 1E for decades and it continues to give me what I want out of my gaming.

A successful current edition of D&D is good for the hobby, so I hope it succeeds in the abstract.  But when I buy things the criteria is: 1A) is it good? and 1B) how much tweaking do I have to do to use it?  Currently, there is enough good material produced specifically for 1E/OSRIC that I don't even have to really buy material for any other retro-clones, even if the tweaking would be minimal.  I still buy some material for other retro-clones if it is excellent.

I presume that 5E materials would be even farther down my list for gaming dollars.

Quote from: K Peterson;757642Definitely false. Not close to MLB and the NFL's numbers. And we're omitting NASCAR, as well.

I have read articles over the past few years, however, that show that the MLS has surpassed the NBA and the NHL in terms of attendance levels and TV ratings. The sport is making strides in the US, but there is a realistic cap that it will eventually face (and I'm speaking as an MLS fan, and a Sounders season ticket holder for the past 5 years).


True in just about any sport. Band-wagon jumpers will latch on to any 'winner' and ride out the fad.

Hell, that's more a sign of the MLS having a cultural impact, and 'making it' as a sport - the fact that it can attract the fair-weather fans, like baseball and football.

But then, you are talking about Timbers' supporters, so perhaps those numbers are just accurate to your region.

Spectators; I assumed soccer was behind. But I am reasonably sure more young people are playing soccer now.

Quote from: VengerSatanis;7571921. So, we've got people who are loving the promise of 5e and what it represents.

2. People who are tentatively optimistic but skeptical.

3. Those who just don't care.

4. Those who think 5e is doing far too little, too late and are unhappy about one thing or another.

5. A few cranks who absolutely loath 5e and what it represents.

6. 5e lovers who are sick and tired of what they perceive to be 5e hating trolls.

7. Those disenchanted by what they've seen of 5e who just want the 5e lovers to shut up already.

8. Cautious, intrigued skeptics who feel harassed or threatened by all the 5e love

9.  Adults who don't play products edited and developed for 10 year olds and mad mommies.

10. People who don't buy games from companies where the ultimate decision about content is made by non-gamers.

Quote from: Ghost;7576689.  Adults who don't play products edited and developed for 10 year olds and mad mommies.

10. People who don't buy games from companies where the ultimate decision about content is made by non-gamers.

Are there going to be mad mommies in the 5e Monster Manual?

VS