Quote from: JongWKIf a gang didn't allow people into a public basketball court anymore, would you tell your kids to suck it up because "it's just a fucking game?" Or would you act to expel the gang from the neighborhood?

Well considering that I haven't had anybody show up and not allow me to play what I want yet.  Plus I haven't seen any 'gamer gangs' ever.  A loud and obnoxious few that try to get everybody into what they are into while slinging insults about everything else?  Now that I've seen.

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaDude.  I was just about to post a reply to that, but...I mean, seriously.  "A gang"?

You see?  This is why so many of us call this whole "War Against the Swine" thing paranoid hysteria.

!i!

I'm right there with you on this.  There is no war, only a few folks with swollen or bruised ego's being loud.

Quote from: JongWKIf a gang didn't allow people into a public basketball court anymore, would you tell your kids to suck it up because "it's just a fucking game?" Or would you act to expel the gang from the neighborhood?

I've lost count of the number of times I've visited gamers houses, local gaming clubs and conventions and menacingly prevented people playing the game they want. Hey, there was the time when this 13 year old lad, him and his friends just wanted to play through Keep On The Borderlands! But no! Me and my indie gaming gang threw his books in the road, danced on his spectacles and then beat him with a copy of My Life With Master!*

A gang? Seriously? I have a hard time believing that one. Do you genuinely believe the comparison you made there?

Cheers
Malcolm

*True story. We even have a gang sign and special colours. Although I forget if we are The Sharks or The Jets.**

**May not actually be a true story.

See, this is where things get silly.  Gangs?

And it's so easy to bat down that it's unwise to even put it out there.

And it lets people off the hook. I don't know malcom from adam, so I don't know what he's done. But does he deride other peoples games, even implicitly (and then try to cover it with the "hey, everybody's fun is cool with me" bit)? Does he actively attempt to shift the belief that D&D is mainstream and that what people really want, if they only knew better and weren't slaves to marekting, is this story game with dispersed narrative responsibiilty he's got to sell over here? Is he trying to tell the people playing DitV that they aren't playing a real RPG - and that DitV would be better as d20 - the only real game?

If not, he's not a swine.  If so, he is.  Simple, really.

Quote from: James J SkachI don't know malcom from adam, so I don't know what he's done. But does he deride other peoples games, even implicitly (and then try to cover it with the "hey, everybody's fun is cool with me" bit)? Does he actively attempt to shift the belief that D&D is mainstream and that what people really want, if they only knew better and weren't slaves to marekting, is this story game with dispersed narrative responsibiilty he's got to sell over here? Is he trying to tell the people playing DitV that they aren't playing a real RPG - and that DitV would be better as d20 - the only real game?

Which is why "gangs" is such an inappropriate analogy.

The Swine are more like "commies," out to destroy our precious bodily fluids. Or maybe even "ter-rists".

!i!

Quote from: Malcolm CraigI've lost count of the number of times I've visited gamers houses, local gaming clubs and conventions and menacingly prevented people playing the game they want. Hey, there was the time when this 13 year old lad, him and his friends just wanted to play through Keep On The Borderlands! But no! Me and my indie gaming gang threw his books in the road, danced on his spectacles and then beat him with a copy of My Life With Master!*

Dude, when you use the word "spectacles" you immediately give away your intellectual elitism. Just sayin'.

Quote from: Malcolm Craig*True story. We even have a gang sign and special colours. Although I forget if we are The Sharks or The Jets.**

**May not actually be a true story.

Watch it. Clash and I are the S.H.A.R.K.s (Small-press Harm All Role-playing KidS). Our gang sign is POD and man, does that hurt your hands to throw. Our colors, Silver and Ovaltine!

Bill

Quote from: James McMurrayDude, when you use the word "spectacles" you immediately give away your intellectual elitism. Just sayin'.

Sorry, next time I must remember to call them "good sight things". Or maybe "looking stuff what sits on your face".

Quote from: HinterWeltWatch it. Clash and I are the S.H.A.R.K.s (Small-press Harm All Role-playing KidS). Our gang sign is POD and man, does that hurt your hands to throw. Our colors, Silver and Ovaltine!

Bill

I must be The Jets then. No, dammit, I wanted to be The Sharks! Drat, our colours must be mauve and magenta. Those just so don't go with my skin tones.

Cheers
Malcolm

Quote from: Malcolm CraigI must be The Jets then. No, dammit, I wanted to be The Sharks! Drat, our colours must be mauve and magenta. Those just so don't go with my skin tones.

Cheers
Malcolm

If you switch mauve with a nice burgandy, and replace magenta with a neutral creme color, then you'll find the colors even out much nicer.

Quote from: Thanatos02If you switch mauve with a nice burgandy, and replace magenta with a neutral creme color, then you'll find the colors even out much nicer.

And you'll be perfectly suited for gaming in the late 80's! Ask Doc!

EDIT: I retract.  I misread and thought you would end up with Magenta and cream, not burgundy and cream.  My apologies.

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaDude.  I was just about to post a reply to that, but...I mean, seriously.  "A gang"?

You see?  This is why so many of us call this whole "War Against the Swine" thing paranoid hysteria.

!i!

Ian, I think the analogy explains Pundit's POV (which was the whole point of my post). If you want to switch "gang" for something more fitting, by all means go ahead.

EDIT: Basically, Pundit believes someone is out to ruin his fun. Should he do nothing about it because "it's just a game"? Once you understand his core motivation, you can also understand (but not necessarily agree) with his actions.

Quote from: James McMurrayDude, when you use the word "spectacles" you immediately give away your intellectual elitism. Just sayin'.

Oh brother.  I knew someone would pull that out.  I even thought about making a joke of it, to beat everyone to the punch, and yet here it is.

Quote from: JongWKIan, I think the analogy explains Pundit's POV (which was the whole point of my post). If you want to switch "gang" for something more fitting, by all means go ahead.

EDIT: Basically, Pundit believes someone is out to ruin his fun. Should he do nothing about it because "it's just a game"? Once you understand his core motivation, you can also understand (but not necessarily agree) with his actions.

Socrates was a man.
Socrates was the name of my pet fish.
Therefore, all men are fish.

Quote from: J ArcaneSocrates was a man.
Socrates was the name of my pet fish.
Therefore, all men are fish.

Your logic is brilliant J Arcane.

For those still following along, what the fuck is 'high art'? Do people still buy that line?