EDIT: Never mind, this post was redundant.

Quote from: One Horse TownIt's like the sun rising.

But of course. In any case, claiming that the basic system of Nob cannot be converted for other settings without including the floral imagery of the game is very much like saying that you couldn't possibly use d20 for Star Wars without featuring Elminster as a Jedi.

New heights of wisecrackery:

QuoteOriginally Posted by RPGPundit
             I'm sure one could run D&D in a pretentious way.

QuoteTonyLB:
 See, things just keep popping up that don't make sense to me. You said the Swine all hated D&D. Now there's the possibility for D&D-Swine? Would they hate D&D too?

A very sad business it is.

By the way, Settembrini, your current sig,
   I can´t stand collaborative story creators. Go fuck yourself with a stick. If I can´t solve problems embedded into an inspiring, adventuresome background in your game, please don´t talk to me. "
is... how can I put it? When you close your mind to other ways of doing things with the assumption that your own way is utterly perfect, well that's being a snob, looking down on others while thinking of yourself as above them.

So Settembrini looks down on people with different gaming styles, yet he could not reasonably be said to be at one with Uncle Ronny. That's why I say that pretentious and snobby gamers certainly exist, but to call them "Swine" is silly, because it makes them seem like a coherent group - a conspiracy.

I guess that's what "Swine" really means: "People who are snobbish and pretentious about games different to the games I'm snobbish and pretentious about."

QuoteI guess that's what "Swine" really means: "People who are snobbish and pretentious about games different to the games I'm snobbish and pretentious about."

Works for me.

EDIT:

I do think that people who want to create stories with RPGs are fucking up the hobby and the actual plays they create are ultimately less sophisticated than any randomly rolled up dungeon 99% of the time.

Töten Sie das Schwein!

Yes, but can you do the accent?

Pierce, these are Anglophones, they might expect some Kontaktlob.

Quote from: Pierce InverarityYes, but can you do the accent?

Quote from: SettembriniKontaktlob.

You know, I don't know what that word means. I must have become too anglophone.

"Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring... Anglophone."

A couple of y'all responded to my conjecture that the RPGSite is or is not seen as Pundy's place...sorry for the delay - took some time off to enjoy my yearly brithday/fathers day weekend extravaganza..woohoo!

Quote from: Andy KWhat about the people that go to/use the Forge and don't "support" Ron Edwards? Are they totally OK in Pundy's book?

Because I've never heard him say anything remotely close to that. He's always indicated that membership there, participation in the boards, indicates implicit support, collaboration, collusion. It's a Swinehouse that only produces Swine.

Well, I can't speak for Pundy's book. I don't even like to read parts of Pundy's book.

But I think there really is a large difference in places like RPGSite and the Forge - and it all has to do with how the sites are moderated. As Pundy points out, plenty of people here disagree with him philosophically. In general, he doesn't do anything about it from a moderator perspective (with two minor exceptions to date). Oh, he'll argue it, but he won't shut down a thread, ban a user, etc. I've seen some quite different reactions in other forums. What this amounts to is how tightly a message is presented.

Onthe one hand, you have a place where the message is loose and argued with vim and vigor, openly, often with personal attacks, people being called for bullshit, etc. The message, therefore, is open to debate. Experience and Theory rearely collide because, well, theory isn't disucssed as much and it tends to be more open to adjustment based on experience. You end up with a site that has little or no "focus" other than RPG's.

In other forums, the message is much tighter.  And the debate about it is much less tolerated. If experience and theory collide, experience is wrong. To say otherwise can lead to "moderation." So what you end up with is a site of yes-men, a common message, and little debate except around fringes.

And so I think it's perfectly reasonable to point at the forum in the latter paragraph and assume people who frequent it are in agreement about the underlying message and the direction of the forum.  Particularly in comparison to the RPGSite.

Quote from: James McMurrayWitness, for example, the animalball gang's first entry into this forum. They cam in assuming everyone was "on Pundit's dick" becuse that's how the place is seen.

You take them seriously? You take any perspective they have on anything as something other than a troll? You can't be serious, Jimmy. I mean, they rarely post here, and tend to do so to 1) fuck with Pundit (which I'm sure you just love) and 2) advertise things they are doing on their site.  Do they do other things? Sure.  But really, these are the guys you would turn to for an accurate view? Maybe your Pundy-hate is clouding your judgement, Jimmy.

Quote from: James McMurrayIt doesn't help that one out of every 20 threads is bitching about another website. When a forum populated (and founded) by people banned from other forums spends that much time complaining about those other forums, it's a hard reputation to shake.

How does complaining about other sites feed anyone's view that this is a Pundit-message site? I mean, are you saying that because Pundit got pissed at RPGNet, and other people are being banned from that place, the view is this is just a haven for former RPGNet folks? Interesting...

Having said all that, I am perfectly willing to admit that my understanding of the way other sites view this place was conjecture. If you have links that show people at, say, RPGNet talking about how they view RPGSite, I'd love to take a look to get a more informed understanding.

Quote from: James J SkachYou take them seriously? You take any perspective they have on anything as something other than a troll? You can't be serious, Jimmy. I mean, they rarely post here, and tend to do so to 1) fuck with Pundit (which I'm sure you just love) and 2) advertise things they are doing on their site.  Do they do other things? Sure.  But really, these are the guys you would turn to for an accurate view? Maybe your Pundy-hate is clouding your judgement, Jimmy.

Of course it was a troll. But it was a troll based on the idea of people liking Pundit. I didn't say I take them as Gospel, just that they're one example. Other websites have other examples.

QuoteHow does complaining about other sites feed anyone's view that this is a Pundit-message site? I mean, are you saying that because Pundit got pissed at RPGNet, and other people are being banned from that place, the view is this is just a haven for former RPGNet folks? Interesting...

Yes, the view is that this is a haven for former PRG.netters that have been banned. It's not me saying it, it's the people at RPG.net. Just do a search over there for rpgsite or nisarg, and, if you can get the search function to work for you, you'll see exactly what they think of us.

And it's at least somewhat warranted. Way too many posters here were banned from there and bitch and complain about RPG.net. This place will never have an image of its own as long as it's a whine fest for everyone that wants to moan about how poorly they were treated by a website whose rules boil down to "don't be a dick, and don't fuck witht he mods."

QuoteHaving said all that, I am perfectly willing to admit that my understanding of the way other sites view this place was conjecture. If you have links that show people at, say, RPGNet talking about how they view RPGSite, I'd love to take a look to get a more informed understanding.

Sorry, no links. As I said, the search function there is a hit or miss. But just mention the place in a thread and see what happens. Yours is conjecture, mine is personal experiences that others have shared as well.

Quote from: droogTöten Sie das Schwein!

Of course, this joke only makes sense if you know who the lady is...

Not that Settembrini would find it THAT funny.