Quote from: VisionStorm on August 24, 2023, 02:55:17 PM

Quote from: Scooter on August 24, 2023, 01:57:18 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 24, 2023, 01:47:01 PM


Familiar enough to know that status effects/conditions are not HP, and that Cure spells don't restore status effects.

Really?  So what is the RAW on "status effects/conditions" that cause legs to be paralyzed and not fixable by cure spells. Please quote.  Maybe I missed it in the RAW.  Very possible.

I will as soon as you quote the part of the RAW that says that Cure spells cure anything other HP, or that the rules not explicitly stating that something is NOT the case, means that you can insert that thing into the rules and treated it as RAW despite not being written anywhere in the rules.

Do you mean cure wounds didn't cure my dragon bards Gold Dragon Herpes?

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on August 24, 2023, 03:02:11 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 24, 2023, 02:55:17 PM

Quote from: Scooter on August 24, 2023, 01:57:18 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 24, 2023, 01:47:01 PM


Familiar enough to know that status effects/conditions are not HP, and that Cure spells don't restore status effects.

Really?  So what is the RAW on "status effects/conditions" that cause legs to be paralyzed and not fixable by cure spells. Please quote.  Maybe I missed it in the RAW.  Very possible.

I will as soon as you quote the part of the RAW that says that Cure spells cure anything other HP, or that the rules not explicitly stating that something is NOT the case, means that you can insert that thing into the rules and treated it as RAW despite not being written anywhere in the rules.

Do you mean cure wounds didn't cure my dragon bards Gold Dragon Herpes?

It did, but only if you were playing by Scooter's RAW (herpes sores). 

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 24, 2023, 02:55:17 PM

Quote from: Scooter on August 24, 2023, 01:57:18 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 24, 2023, 01:47:01 PM


Familiar enough to know that status effects/conditions are not HP, and that Cure spells don't restore status effects.

Really?  So what is the RAW on "status effects/conditions" that cause legs to be paralyzed and not fixable by cure spells. Please quote.  Maybe I missed it in the RAW.  Very possible.

I will as soon as you quote the part of the RAW that says that Cure spells cure anything other HP, or that the rules not explicitly stating that something is NOT the case, means that you can insert that thing into the rules and treated it as RAW despite not being written anywhere in the rules.

Cool, so there is no such rule about legs not being healed by a cure spell.  Sorry m0r0n but I can't prove a negative.  Only the brainless demand such

Quote from: Scooter on August 24, 2023, 03:34:48 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 24, 2023, 02:55:17 PM

Quote from: Scooter on August 24, 2023, 01:57:18 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 24, 2023, 01:47:01 PM


Familiar enough to know that status effects/conditions are not HP, and that Cure spells don't restore status effects.

Really?  So what is the RAW on "status effects/conditions" that cause legs to be paralyzed and not fixable by cure spells. Please quote.  Maybe I missed it in the RAW.  Very possible.

I will as soon as you quote the part of the RAW that says that Cure spells cure anything other HP, or that the rules not explicitly stating that something is NOT the case, means that you can insert that thing into the rules and treated it as RAW despite not being written anywhere in the rules.

Cool, so there is no such rule about legs not being healed by a cure spell.  Sorry m0r0n but I can't prove a negative.  Only the brainless demand such

I know, which is why you demanded that I proved a negative around a dozen posts ago...

Quote from: Scooter on August 24, 2023, 10:39:21 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 24, 2023, 09:31:03 AM
There's nothing in D&D RAW about Cure spells fixing anything other than HP.

So?  Where in the rules does it state the your back being injured by an attack is not HP damage?  Are you REALLY this unfamiliar with "D&D" damage system or are you trolling?

...cuz only the brainless demand such a thing. 

Quote from: Scooter on August 23, 2023, 09:00:34 PM
These mini's show the characters WITH legs.  Any cure spell would restore use

These minis are amputeephobic.  Whoever created them is clearly a bigot.

Quote from: DocJones on August 25, 2023, 02:39:36 PM

Quote from: Scooter on August 23, 2023, 09:00:34 PM
These mini's show the characters WITH legs.  Any cure spell would restore use

These minis are amputeephobic.  Whoever created them is clearly a bigot.

Ah!  That's it.   

Quote from: tenbones on August 24, 2023, 09:47:34 AM
I'm always about context of setting. One of the difficult things about D&D is that it's just a set of rules where setting is an amorphous thing because everyone has their own take and the modern conception *seems* to be anything where rules exist for it is presumed to be possible in the game. This is why traditional settings of the earlier settings have become a freakshow.

*THAT* said... we can debate all day about how being a para/quadriplegic could be resolved in a variety of ways in the D&D rules (whatever edition you choose). But we all know damn well that the only reason the Combat Wheelchair exists is for virtue signalling.

As an aside, I don't have a problem with wheelchair bound figures. Some systems have disadvantages where you can be wheelchair bound, (Savage Worlds) but they should be setting appropriate. Having the option for such a figure isn't bad. But in context of D&D-play typical to most of us, it's stupid.

Let's not forget the stats on the Combat Wheelchair would mean everyone would be using one. Immunity from rough terrain penalties? That would be awesome to go through the Swamp of Sorrow. Just roll on through!

I'm not familiar with the rules regarding Combat Wheelchairs, but it sounds amusing.  If applied to the Pathfinder system, I'm assuming that you'd be immune to Trip.

The very first thing that will happen is some creature, probably a gnoll or an orc, will topple your chair with a polearm and murder you while you're helpless on the ground. This is so obvious that even writing this out is an insult to the intelligence of anyone who reads it.

You won't even survive long enough to reach the even more obvious and idiotic problems of stairs, difficult or literally any natural terrain, or the other 99.99% of a fantasy setting that isn't designed to be accessible. Like do these idiots not think about the extensive amount of infrastructure design that goes into creating wheelchair accessible locations on a wide scale? This shit doesn't happen by accident.

Have you ever tried to push a wheelchair, or even a handcart, through a swamp? Over rocks? Ever tried to climb a mountain with one? Gone exploring in a cave?

Why is it that all of this shit occurs to me the instant I see something like this, but these supposed professionals make shit like this with a straight face? I don't even have a degree in creative writing, let alone anything actually useful.

Quote from: JeremyR on August 21, 2023, 09:18:24 PM
There are cultures around being disabled, where they reject cures to that disability, because that disability forms part of their lifestyle.

That seems to be mostly a modern phenomenon. I don't know of any examples from before the 20th century, let alone the middle ages on which so many fantasy worlds are based. Quite the contrary - people walked across entire continents on pilgrimages in the hopes of a cure at some holy springs etc.

As well as a modern thing, it seems to be a Western thing. I don't know of any stories of some Pashtun guy saying, "I identify as an amputee... you know what, I'll just go and steal that mullah's hookah, then they'll cut my right hand off and all will be good in the world for me."

Same with mental stuff. I don't know of examples of medieval people hoping their child would grow up to be the village idiot, or of Indians or Kenyans or whoever going from one psychiatrist to another until they got their ADHD diagnosis.

Only modern Westerners actually want to be physically or mentally disabled.

Quote from: Domina on August 27, 2023, 12:21:12 AM
The very first thing that will happen is some creature, probably a gnoll or an orc, will topple your chair with a polearm and murder you while you're helpless on the ground. This is so obvious that even writing this out is an insult to the intelligence of anyone who reads it.

You won't even survive long enough to reach the even more obvious and idiotic problems of stairs, difficult or literally any natural terrain, or the other 99.99% of a fantasy setting that isn't designed to be accessible. Like do these idiots not think about the extensive amount of infrastructure design that goes into creating wheelchair accessible locations on a wide scale? This shit doesn't happen by accident.

Have you ever tried to push a wheelchair, or even a handcart, through a swamp? Over rocks? Ever tried to climb a mountain with one? Gone exploring in a cave?

Why is it that all of this shit occurs to me the instant I see something like this, but these supposed professionals make shit like this with a straight face? I don't even have a degree in creative writing, let alone anything actually useful.

It happens because making a wheelchair a combat advantage "empowers" disabled characters.  Unfortunately, a lot of the creative industry is captured by leftist ideology. 60 years ago, it was about racial struggle and sexual liberation.  Nowadays, it's about whatever is part of the LGBT agenda.  Since the disabled are part of that group, the writers have to virtue signal for them.

There's a strong chance that the upcoming D&D 5.5E will remove racial stat bonuses because of muh racism, for example.  That's still part of the virtue signaling.

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Quote from: JeremyR on August 21, 2023, 09:18:24 PM
There are cultures around being disabled, where they reject cures to that disability, because that disability forms part of their lifestyle.

That seems to be mostly a modern phenomenon. I don't know of any examples from before the 20th century, let alone the middle ages on which so many fantasy worlds are based. Quite the contrary - people walked across entire continents on pilgrimages in the hopes of a cure at some holy springs etc.

As well as a modern thing, it seems to be a Western thing. I don't know of any stories of some Pashtun guy saying, "I identify as an amputee... you know what, I'll just go and steal that mullah's hookah, then they'll cut my right hand off and all will be good in the world for me."

Same with mental stuff. I don't know of examples of medieval people hoping their child would grow up to be the village idiot, or of Indians or Kenyans or whoever going from one psychiatrist to another until they got their ADHD diagnosis.

Only modern Westerners actually want to be physically or mentally disabled.

Pretty much.  Most of this is related to Body Integrity Identity Disorder.  This mental illness probably exists outside of the West, but I would assume non-Western cultures either confine these people to something like a sanitarium or they simply ignore them.

It's like how the non-West has transgender people, but they don't typically put them on a pedestal or put them into prominent government positions.