Most of you wouldn't want to see my RPG that has the locations and troop strength of every US military unit (fill in your country if you're non-American) during a war.

The thing with censorship for ideological reasons is they keep moving the goalposts. 'Racism' goes from 'preaching hatred toward group X' to 'disagreeing with the progressive line' pretty quickly.

I just don't trust the would-be censors.

Quote from: Null42 on August 13, 2021, 06:57:43 AM
I just don't trust the would-be censors.

Anyone who wants to censor art, rpgs, movies or music, etc. are never to be trusted and should always be viewed with suspicion. Who has the right to decide what I can and can't consume. They can all fuck off.

Censors, are either creepy religious types, or now days, weird 'ultra' left do gooders (old lefties like myself vehemently oppose censorship).

Quote from: Null42 on August 13, 2021, 06:57:43 AM
Most of you wouldn't want to see my RPG that has the locations and troop strength of every US military unit (fill in your country if you're non-American) during a war.

And you know this how? Are those differences based on the racial composition of the troops? Lets say I wouldn't buy your RPG for whatever reason. Am I censoring you?

Quote from: Null42 on August 13, 2021, 06:57:43 AM
The thing with censorship for ideological reasons is they keep moving the goalposts. 'Racism' goes from 'preaching hatred toward group X' to 'disagreeing with the progressive line' pretty quickly.

Or it must be censored because porn corrupts the soul... And I tell you this as a Christian Pastor.

Quote from: Null42 on August 13, 2021, 06:57:43 AM
I just don't trust the would-be censors.

With this I agree 100% as long as we're talking about censorship and not trying to conflate a consumer boycott with censorship.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on August 13, 2021, 07:11:03 AM

Quote from: Null42 on August 13, 2021, 06:57:43 AM
I just don't trust the would-be censors.

Anyone who wants to censor art, rpgs, movies or music, etc. are never to be trusted and should always be viewed with suspicion. Who has the right to decide what I can and can't consume. They can all fuck off.

Censors, are either creepy religious types, or now days, weird 'ultra' left do gooders (old lefties like myself vehemently oppose censorship).

Those "weird 'ultra' left do gooders" ARE creepy religious types, just look at how they react to anyone that disagrees with their cult's dogmas. They excommunicate the heretic/apostate.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 13, 2021, 11:28:48 AM
Those "weird 'ultra' left do gooders" ARE creepy religious types, just look at how they react to anyone that disagrees with their cult's dogmas. They excommunicate the heretic/apostate.

Well, that's one way of looking at it. But I'm happy to lump them in together. As far as I'm concerned, the right-wing Christian Evangelists are just as bad as the 'ultra' left.

I would much prefer both those ilk to keep well away from me.

The author is a homicidal racist, not in the "he said something that can be construed as offensive" sense, but of the old-fashioned "Hitlerian" kind. Whatever his RPG is about, I wouldn't give him a cent.

Quote from: Trond on August 13, 2021, 11:37:27 AM
The author is a homicidal racist, not in the "he said something that can be construed as offensive" sense, but of the old-fashioned "Hitlerian" kind. Whatever his RPG is about, I wouldn't give him a cent.

   The best part of what you said, is it seems to be 100 percent true.   The guy is so nutty I do not even think lefties believe he is a real person.   He is actually WORSE than the boogie-men they constantly conjure in their minds.

Quote from: Trond on August 13, 2021, 11:37:27 AM
The author is a homicidal racist, not in the "he said something that can be construed as offensive" sense, but of the old-fashioned "Hitlerian" kind. Whatever his RPG is about, I wouldn't give him a cent.

Seems reasonable to me.

Just because the Lefties/Crazies/SJWs pretend that normal people are monsters; it doesn't mean there aren't a few actual monsters out there. He's no better than the Leftist who killed Pim Fortuyn, or the Leftist who tried to kill Tulsi Gabbard (a Democrat), or the one who attacked Trump at a rally.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on August 12, 2021, 06:09:58 PM

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 12:10:32 AMAnyone here think I'd be wrong for censoring free speech?

Refusing to platform isn't deplatforming or censorship. Its like saying that refusing to sing a song somebody told you is censorship. Censorship is finding copies of that book and destroying them so nobody else could read them.

"Refusing to platform isn't deplatforming."

wat

Quote from: oggsmash on August 13, 2021, 02:53:21 PM
   The best part of what you said, is it seems to be 100 percent true....

Pretty rare on the internet these days, particularly when talking about racism 😀

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 13, 2021, 03:43:28 PM
"Refusing to platform isn't deplatforming."

wat

Im a free speech advocate of the most fervent kind: Nazis, Rapists, Commies, Nihilistic Anarchists - everybody gets a voice and the right to self expression. There is no speech to foul. They can write their own books, get their marches, go to colleges, whatever. I respect both the law and the spirit.

But that doesn't mean I have to platform it. In the sense I have to provide my own labour to air their voice. In the sense If one of the folks above demanded I say....used my own blog for their rambles, I don't have to provide it. If I HAD to provide it, then it would turn freedom of speech into a positive right (akin to demanding free healthcare) that everybody has to be provided a certain level of mandated platforming.
Deplatforming, is finding an existing granted platform, and pressuring them (or mandating) that said platform be removed. If say one of those folks had their own blog, if I demanded the blogging platform remove their rambles-that would be deplatforming.

Freedom of speech is the right and ability to find your own platform and broadcast your stuff. In the modern day thats easier then ever.
The SJW rejection of that, is of pressuring platforms or shutting them down.

So yeah, thats the difference between refusing to platform, and deplatforming.

QuoteDeplatforming, is finding an existing granted platform, and pressuring them (or mandating) that said platform be removed. If say one of those folks had their own blog, if I demanded the blogging platform remove their rambles-that would be deplatforming.

As long as I have no state mandated power to force this demand I mean I see no difference.

 I find myself now watching the review of this game, I guess they are right and even bad press is good press because up till this thread I had never heard of it.

Sounds honestly like this guy has done some horrific things in the past. Hope he is a better person now.

The game sounds like it has some interesting mechanics. I liked the part where if your characters lives and dies honorably your next character receives bonus's.

Quote from: Wrath of God on August 17, 2021, 05:57:25 AMAs long as I have no state mandated power to force this demand I mean I see no difference.

Freedom of speech like all laws requires its spirit being upheld if it is to have any effect. Freedom of speech isn't just about government: its about populace and social views.
Social pressure and sociatal expectations can be just as pressuring (if not more) then laws.

Quote from: Torque2100 on August 10, 2021, 07:10:18 AM
As someone with no intention of trying to buy MyFarOg, I am a pretty hardcore free speech advocate.

Art has a right to exist even if I personally find it repugnant.

I would agree with you there.  I do have a hard time with the idea of playing an RPG designed by an unrepentant murderer, tho.  I was curious about this whole controversy a while back so I researched it a bit.  I found the racism angle of things seemed to be overblown, however there seemed to be no question that the designer of the game is an arsonist and murderer who has zero remorse for his crimes.  On one hand that doesn't make his game bad, but it does make me reluctant to spend my time playing his game or spend money on it.  I have a similar thing with Zak S who I find to be awesomely talented but I just can't bring myself to get much of his stuff simply because of the type of person he is.

I spent some time seriously considering what my ethical position on this thing should be, whether an RPG should stand on its own or whether I should considering the game's creators in making a decision to play it and I ended up deciding that I would not consider someone's beliefs or politics in choosing a game they were involved in, but I would consider their personal behavior and whether I wanted my money going to reward someone who exhibited that behavior, especially if the person was unrepentant about what they'd done.  I do think RPGs are an art form and should stand on their own, so that's why I landed where I did.  I won't blame a game for its creator, but I also don't want my time and money going to support an actual criminal.