If we're gonna start banning and destroying art because it's shit, I want to see Robert Mapplethorpe's whole collection on the chopping block before I get around to Varg the tard.

To get back to the initial question, MYFAROG doesn't deserve anything, it's a book. Though regardless of the opinions or deeds of a book's author, that book should never be censored. Not just for the sake of the author, and also for the sake of the public who may want to read it, but more importantly for the sake of free speech itself which is one of the most important principles which separates civilization from barbarity. So MYFAROG should be protected from censorship just as far more dangerous leftist propaganda should be: because once we abandon freedom of speech, we abandon truth itself for might makes right.

Despite my flippant, previous answer, to the extent that there is any "deserve" to it, it's because of free speech principles and the current assault on them from the rabid left.  In and of itself, Myfarog doesn't "deserve" the amount of attention that we are giving it, any more than, say, Fatal does. 

And by saying that, I'm adding to the attention, which makes me part of the problem, no?

Quote from: oggsmash on August 10, 2021, 08:44:19 AM
  Do people who hate jews/black people/white people/whatever people have a right to exist?

They do if only to show the rest of us how not to be. They are examples of a kind of primitive human that is so blinded by their Ego that they can't see beyond their own inner selfishness and turmoil. Like modern day SJW's.

Examples of a kind of human the rest of us can look at and learn from.

You said it yourself. Burning books is fine until they burn the ones you agree with. Pick a side. Either all books are allowed or we have a group of censors policing public moral. Yes, some bad shit will be inevitably published, but it's a slippery slope. Banned for showing boobs and public indecency, banned for being too violent, banned for racist, banned for sexist, banned because we deemed your ideology qualifies as terrorist, banned because you were associated with X person, banned for subversive, banned for commie, banned for "misinformation", banned for "off-topic", etc.

Let Myfarog exist; I don't like it and it's blatant propaganda. The market and free choice will sort them out. Same for wokes; wokes only exist because there is a political movement about them that actively persecutes people who don't align. In the market, they tend to fail because the only thing that keeps them alive is politics and taxpayer funds.

Quote from: oggsmash on August 10, 2021, 08:44:19 AM
  Do people who hate jews/black people/white people/whatever people have a right to exist?

Yes. Get out of your post-modern bubble and you'll see that this was the norm for millenia. Prejudice, "XeNoPhOBiA", racial and national resentments, ethnocentrism, stereotypes, etc. have been the standard mindset of entire civilizations; even their laws reflected that. The idea of a racial blank-slate, individualism and treating every person as the exception to the rule is a modern concept; and it's mostly American since they had to go through the whole civil rights phase. You're never going to eliminate prejudice or national preferences because it's part of human nature. As long as people don't go out of their way to hurt each other, let them think what they will. Enforced tolerance breeds hostility.


Inb4 I get called a "racial nationalist" for not adhering to the naive mindset of civic nationalism.

Quote from: oggsmash on August 10, 2021, 08:44:19 AM
  Do people who hate jews/black people/white people/whatever people have a right to exist?

No round them up, and murder them until their impure genes are purged. Hunt them down and sterilize their children, and scrub their accomplishments  from the history books!

Then only the tolerant uberperson will inherit the earth and bring fourth an era of pure tolerance! All hail tolerance!!!!

FWIW, 'no enemies to the left' was first said by Kerensky, a moderate, democratic-leaning leftist, during the Russian Revolution. We all know what happened there... (Kerensky survived...a couple million Russians and Ukrainians were less lucky. )

So 'no enemies to the right' doesn't have as good a pedigree as one might think.

That said I think Varg should have freedom of speech and be able to publish his book, even if I won't personally buy it. I don't like this thing with credit card companies refusing to carry his stuff. Where does it stop?

Ya very concerning.  A slippery slope we shouldn't be going down but I think we see where things are going and there's not much we can do about it.  We have to remember a private company doesn't have to publish, print or stock shit if they don't want to.  No argument will solve that.  It should be that way.  What I don't like is these companies are caving to inflated public pressure.  It's good to have access to all viewpoints. Even repugnant shit.  I see the trend towards censorship continue because ultimately a company can deny service to whoever as long as it doesn't violate some law.  Take me for example.  If I was in the book business I'd carry some racist trash if there was a market for it.  But let's say a book written by a child molester.  I'd put that author in the dirt with my own hands before I help him make a dime.  Anyone here think I'd be wrong for censoring free speech?

This game does not deserve to exist. But not because it is a racist game produced by a racist murderer, but because it is shit.

Poor quality deserves obscurity. Which it would have were it not racist. We let the market decide.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on August 12, 2021, 12:50:38 AM
This game does not deserve to exist. But not because it is a racist game produced by a racist murderer, but because it is shit.

Poor quality deserves obscurity. Which it would have were it not racist. We let the market decide.

Exactly.  I was about to buy it but then I heard there were no cool drawings of subhumans like myself in it 

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." --H.L. Mencken

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on August 12, 2021, 12:50:38 AM
This game does not deserve to exist. But not because it is a racist game produced by a racist murderer, but because it is shit.

Poor quality deserves obscurity. Which it would have were it not racist. We let the market decide.

Remember when F.A.T.A.L. would have sunk without a trace if it wasn't a convenient target for funny moral outrage on RPGNet? Pepperidge Farms does!

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 12:10:32 AM
Ya very concerning.  A slippery slope we shouldn't be going down but I think we see where things are going and there's not much we can do about it.  We have to remember a private company doesn't have to publish, print or stock shit if they don't want to.  No argument will solve that.  It should be that way.  What I don't like is these companies are caving to inflated public pressure.  It's good to have access to all viewpoints. Even repugnant shit.  I see the trend towards censorship continue because ultimately a company can deny service to whoever as long as it doesn't violate some law.  Take me for example.  If I was in the book business I'd carry some racist trash if there was a market for it.  But let's say a book written by a child molester.  I'd put that author in the dirt with my own hands before I help him make a dime.  Anyone here think I'd be wrong for censoring free speech?

Yes, I do. You either believe in freedom or you don't there's no middle ground.

Now me? I would publish a book by anyone, as long as I can make a dime on it and thus afford to hire the doctor to cure the child molester. After I published his/her book.

Quote from: myleftnut on August 12, 2021, 12:10:32 AMAnyone here think I'd be wrong for censoring free speech?

Refusing to platform isn't deplatforming or censorship. Its like saying that refusing to sing a song somebody told you is censorship. Censorship is finding copies of that book and destroying them so nobody else could read them.