Thought folks might be interested in this. Pen & Paper is holding their annual fan awards where you vote for your favorite RPGs, Authors, and a ton more categories for the best of 2005. The vote is write-in, so you aren't constrained by any nomination process. There's really not much for winning, but it's probably a nice warm fuzzy for the winner.
http://www.pen-paper.net/awards.php (http://www.pen-paper.net/awards.php)
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Oh, come now! It's not a proper awards if there isn't drama over selecting judges, drama over nominations, and drama from gaming companies big and small!
This just has no potential to cause damage to the gaming community. It's just not a proper type of awards at all!
Quote from: CyberzombieThis just has no potential to cause damage to the gaming community. It's just not a proper type of awards at all!
Would it help if I asked everyone to send me crates of RPG product if they want to win anything? ;)
Quote from: NachtWould it help if I asked everyone to send me crates of RPG product if they want to win anything? ;)
That would definitely help! Hell, if you don't want to put a lot of effort into it, just doing that should be enough to start up a nice drama firestorm. :)
Quote from: CyberzombieThat would definitely help! Hell, if you don't want to put a lot of effort into it, just doing that should be enough to start up a nice drama firestorm. :)
Why that subject was such a sticking point is curious. Relying on the judges or the general public to vote based on what they've bought will really narrow down possible winners, and will give industry juggernaut WotC a big advantage. Some say "so? At least the public got to vote." My reply is that awards like that could simply be given out based on sales figures, then, and the pretense of an awards procedure dispensed with. The public voted with its wallet; why make 'em vote again?
I don't get all the drama around the awards.
Shit, couldn't you just picture me disentagling from face sucking on some woman, zipping up my pants, staggering up to the stage with a bottle of Wild Turkey in my hand, accepting the award, drunkenly slurring some crap, then later hucking the award at some fucker on the street and screaming profanity?
Shit oh dear, that would be probably how it went.
Good thing too, I voted you up in a couple categories. Guess I better get a bottle of Wild Turkey ready.
I am offically boycotting these awards, since I never got my free review copies. Now, I'm off to sulk. :muttering:
Rasyr has been an asshat on many occasions, with his "hat of d20" and proselytizing for HARP (cool game but the guy promotes it by bashing another game system), but I have to sympathize with him on this. If he was supposed to get stuff to review, and didn't get it, how is he supposed to do the job if he gets called on as an alternate?
Thankfully, Pen & Paper isn't GAMA.
Thankfully it also isn't the ENnies. Not that I've got something against ENWorld or anything (it IS the place where I sell my products), but it really friggen sucks to have to take a PDF and burn 5 copies of it to CD, then pay for postage for each copy to the US (I'm Canadian), for a free product that's available right on the very site where the awards are being hosted.
Meh. What can I say? It ain't fantasy, therefore it's got no shot.
Quote from: T-WillardI don't get all the drama around the awards.
Shit, couldn't you just picture me disentagling from face sucking on some woman, zipping up my pants, staggering up to the stage with a bottle of Wild Turkey in my hand, accepting the award, drunkenly slurring some crap, then later hucking the award at some fucker on the street and screaming profanity?
Shit oh dear, that would be probably how it went.
I AM BEGGING YOU: ENTER THE ENNIES.:heh:
You can nominate him this year, Billy; I do believe they will accept nominations from persons other than the author/publisher of the work.
Quote from: RoudiYou can nominate him this year, Billy; I do believe they will accept nominations from persons other than the author/publisher of the work.
I'm a judge dude:)
I don't think I can nominate.
Heh - someone should. Hell, I'd buy your bottle of Wild Turkey mang.
Maybe we should do The Nutties again? I'm sure we can come up with some good categories
Most Pretentious Game Design
Biggest Online Asshattery By A Game Designer
The "Duke Nukem" Award For Gaming Vaporware
Heh, could be fun :)
Quote from: MaddmanBiggest Online Asshattery By A Game Designer
I'm gonna get started on earning this award ASAP!
Quote from: RoudiI'm gonna get started on earning this award ASAP!
Dude, if you put some effort into it you could pull a trifecta. You could announce an upcoming RPG that will change not only gaming, but the way people look at their world. This is a game that could save lives, or make them worth living again. After build up sufficient hype say nothing, then come out with a huge rant about how all the lemmings don't buy into your vision and gamers aren't worth your time.
You'd win all three :D
Quote from: RoudiI'm gonna get started on earning this award ASAP!
You have a long,
long way to go before you could hope to even hope to come within telescope distance of Skarka.
Really now? Don't you know that all it takes is one very poorly thought out post or comment to bring an end to years of work? Reputations are bothersome things considering how fragile they are.
Quote from: PookaReally now? Don't you know that all it takes is one very poorly thought out post or comment to bring an end to years of work? Reputations are bothersome things considering how fragile they are.
Did Roudi fumble somehwere I don't know about that'd place him in Skarka's league?:heh:
Link?
Say, didn't Skarka used to get pissed off whenever someone would refer to his "Hong Kong Action Theatre!" RPG without including the exclamation point? I heard this over at RPGnet years ago but never saw it happen personally.
Quote from: Teflon BillyI AM BEGGING YOU: ENTER THE ENNIES.:heh:
nomination seconded. :heh:
BOZ, you can nominate him, can't you?
I mean, you're not a judge like Teflon B. here, right?
Oh, and Billy - I've been known to be snarky, sarcastic, snippy, and engage in asshat-ery on occasion. I have a bad habit of talking down to gamemasters who let the rules or rules-abusing players take over their games. I've also said some rudeness to folk who bash game systems for stupid reasons. And I've got into a couple of flame-wars with Skarka and D. Jorgensen's alt. I have yet to take asshat-ery to Skarka's level, though (a few posts on his blog take note of every time his sales go up following one of his rude posts).
i have no idea how the nomination process works, or how much i can be involved in it. if someone would show me... :)
Quote from: RatatoskSay, didn't Skarka used to get pissed off whenever someone would refer to his "Hong Kong Action Theatre!" RPG without including the exclamation point? I heard this over at RPGnet years ago but never saw it happen personally.
I recall hearing the same thing, but I don't have a cite or anything. It certainly would not be out of character. :p
BOZ, all relevant information can be found here (http://www.enworld.org/ennies/publishers.html).
The shipping costs make even sending in a PDF product a little pricey.
It's just the mental image, ya know? I know myself. I fucking HATE crowds, so I know I'd toss a few back to take the edge off my meanness. Plus, I enjoy sucking face, and just to be an obnoxious, arrogant ass I'd probably bring a few "friends" to the con.
Sit at the table and swap spit with 1-3 girls who AREN'T my wife, and my wife too, drinking and in general not paying attention. Get my name called, look around all confused, then get up, stagger up the stage (Stopping twice to be like: "HEY! What's up, man, hey, come on up with me. HEY! I know you, here, hold my whiskey!") and stand there and stare at the guy like he grew a second head. After that give my acceptance speech...
"I'd like to thank... AAAAAIIIIRBOOOOORNE!!! HOOAH!" stagger down. Puke in the garbage can on the way out the door yelling: "HOOAH! I WON A GOLDEN COCK AWARD FOR APPEARING IN THAT PORN MOVIE WE MADE LAST NIGHT!" and holding the award over my head.
Then run screaming across the lobby/parkinglot and use the award as a bludgeon on a mailbox or something, and accuse it of being Jack Chick in disguise, scream profanity at someone, and get hauled off to jail.
QuoteReally now? Don't you know that all it takes is one very poorly thought out post or comment to bring an end to years of work? Reputations are bothersome things considering how fragile they are.
My rep?
you have a reputation, but i can only imagine that a very poorly thought out post or comment would strengthen it rather than harm it. :D
"Actually, it was tequila and Mountain Dew."
Quote from: Roudi"Actually, it was tequila and Mountain Dew."
LOL I think that's what did it, right there.
Quoteyou have a reputation, but i can only imagine that a very poorly thought out post or comment would strengthen it rather than harm it.
Yeah, I don't think the following would hurt my rep:
Quote from: Yahoo NewsWhen Nerds Attack
Late last night, relatively unknown RPG writer Timothy Willard was arrested after getting drunk in a strip club and setting off CS grenades yelling: "FUMIGATE THAT ASS BITCH!" Police located him in his hotel room where he was surrounded by five prostitutes, some women he met on the way back from the club, a dead pimp, and had a hotel bellboy tied up and gagged, hanging from the cieling fan.
Mr. Willard's BAC was 0.26, and his lawyers comment was: "Eat shit."
i don't see as how that would be a problem. :D
I think the act of going to a genre convention pretty much means one is unconcerned with one's rep in the first place.
And this is coming from someone who attended the 1988 Superman expo in Cleveland, which was a combination of separate comic book, game, and Star Trek conventions all at the same time and in the same place. That was pretty much a black hole for coolness rep, which has rendered me incapable of ever again acquiring such rep.
Quote from: Teflon BillyDid Roudi fumble somehwere I don't know about that'd place him in Skarka's league?:heh:
Link?
No, I was referring to myself.
Pooka, anyone who thinks less of you for that really doesn't deserve your consideration.
Anyone want to start a betting pool as to the results of the P&PA's? Or the ENnies, for that matter?
Quote from: PookaNo, I was referring to myself.
...and though Nothingland 1.0 has closed it's doors, "Spoonying a thread" lives on :heh:
Gentle reminder...
Quote from: The CharterIn return, show the Nutkins some respect. They're here to keep the forums safe and secure, and to the best of my knowledge none of them are getting paid for their hard work. Please do not feed, harass, or intentionally annoy the squirrels, and if they ask you to do something, do it because they may not ask you twice. You've heard of DM fiat? Well they drive a Fiat too.
Quote from: PookaGentle reminder...
Well whattya know, it turns out I'm wrong :bow:
I must've missed something somewhere...
I believe Billy was expecting a petty ban.
Quote from: ColonelHardissonI must've missed something somewhere...
them's a-feudin' and a-fightin'?
Quote from: PookaI believe Billy was expecting a petty ban.
Nah, we wouldn't ban him, but we
do need someone to fill in for the gimp this week, since he's out with the flu. :spank:
Quote from: PookaI believe Billy was expecting a petty ban.
Naw, I was commenting that since being nice to "nutkins" here is the written law, that it looked like I was wrong about "Spoonying a thread" being alive and well.
I should get me one of those lists of rules over at Maximvs:)
Quote from: Teflon BillyNaw, I was commenting that since being nice to "nutkins" here is the written law, that it looked like I was wrong about "Spoonying a thread" being alive and well.
I should get me one of those lists of rules over at Maximvs:)
We don't generally abuse the public (unless they want us to, and that costs extra).
Quote from: Teflon BillyYou have a long, long way to go before you could hope to even hope to come within telescope distance of Skarka.
If it involves running a commercially successful full time business and paying fairly, promptly and well, then I would encourage people to be just like Gareth, since that's how he runs things.
Many people who are nice to you on online fora do so because by business standards, they're incompetent shitheels and would rather that you didn't point it out.
As for awards, they're all worthless except for the Diana Jones Award and except for the Ennies when applied to .pdf. alone. The Diana Jones Award always points out something or someone cool and Ennies can boost .pdf sales. The rest of the Ennies, the OAs and other also-rans are pointless for any number of reasons. Nevertheless, pen-paper.net's database is an invaluable tool for a lot of people and the site has been quietly useful for years, so I suppose that's something. Actually, it deserves an award.
Quote from: shooting_diceThe rest of the Ennies, the OAs and other also-rans are pointless for any number of reasons.
I disagree about the ENnies. The nominations often give the spotlight to low-profile products that may have flown under the radar otherwise.
Quote from: ColonelHardissonI disagree about the ENnies. The nominations often give the spotlight to low-profile products that may have flown under the radar otherwise.
Yeah. They sell .pdfs. They're good for that. They are in the main useless for any other purpose. That's one thing people don't get when they criticise the OAs. As far as print is concerned, all awards are equally useless.
Quote from: ColonelHardissonI disagree about the ENnies. The nominations often give the spotlight to low-profile products that may have flown under the radar otherwise.
Or specific judge/flunky/special person's pet project.
Quote from: Phantom StrangerOr specific judge/flunky/special person's pet project.
Speaking as a past ENnies judge, I can tell you that the only reason we nominated something was because we thought it was better than other products with which it was competing.
Quote from: ColonelHardissonSpeaking as a past ENnies judge, I can tell you that the only reason we nominated something was because we thought it was better than other products with which it was competing.
You weren't always a judge Colonel and a lot(maybe a few) products were pushed out due to more personal then substance reasons. Often you would see from the far left field products just because it wasn't a WoTC product or some stupid shit like that. I'll say for the most part over the years the Ennies were good but some really got the WTF? view.
Quote from: Phantom StrangerYou weren't always a judge Colonel and a lot(maybe a few) products were pushed out due to more personal then substance reasons. Often you would see from the far left field products just because it wasn't a WoTC product or some stupid shit like that. I'll say for the most part over the years the Ennies were good but some really got the WTF? view.
I can only speak from my own experience, but I do know that the other judges during the times I was a judge didn't have an anti-WotC bias that I could identify. Plus, another thing to remember is that sometimes publishers simply don't enter, so what might seem like a no-brainer entry never even got a look because the publisher didn't bother to submit product. I think that many of the times that people go WTF? at a list of nominees is because they haven't seen the actual pool of entrants. I know that as a judge I was disappointed at times at the absence of this or that publisher or product, because I'd be thinking "damn, they had a good shot at winning." We had to work with what we had.