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PC- I break down the magically sealed door; DM - You break the door & lose....

Started by Nightfall, July 03, 2011, 08:09:51 PM

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Pseudoephedrine

#60
July 06, 2011, 11:47:45 PM
Quote from: Seanchai;466755I'm more curious about the idea that the DM can't do whatever the hell he'd like in his game.

1) It's not the DM's game. He is as dependent on the players as a group to play as they are on him to run.

2) The power a DM has comes from the players giving him the authority to direct the narrative. That authority can be revoked at any time, by any player. If nothing else, a player who disagrees can hijack the entire session with an argument. More persuasive or socially adept players can lead a revolt against a decision, which can cause the DM to change his mind.

3) What recourse or special power does the DM actually have if you simply refuse to acknowledge his decision on a subject? I can't see any.
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Elfdart

#61
July 07, 2011, 12:13:27 AM
Quote from: mhensley;466555Your gm is a tard.  If he insists on this, make your character all about getting redemption.  Refuse to do anything else that doesn't further that goal.  Two can play at being assholes.

Better yet, just go full retarded evil and start chopping motherfuckers left and right. The DM was being a douche nozzle so why not return the favor?
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Nightfall

#62
July 07, 2011, 03:58:15 AM
Elf,

Because I'm a 13th level paladin with a  Str score of 26,  Dex score of 24, Con of 24, Int of 14, Wis of 22, and Cha of 28.

Considering all that, my saves WERE pretty damn ridiculous. I'm not tossing ANYTHING away just yet.

That and I like paladins. :P
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mhensley

#63
July 07, 2011, 06:27:33 AM
Quote from: Elfdart;467017Better yet, just go full retarded evil and start chopping motherfuckers left and right. The DM was being a douche nozzle so why not return the favor?

Yep, it's a great time to pick up that anti-paladin prestige class.  :D

mhensley

#64
July 07, 2011, 06:29:20 AM
Quote from: Nightfall;467038Because I'm a 13th level paladin with a  Str score of 26,  Dex score of 24, Con of 24, Int of 14, Wis of 22, and Cha of 28.

Man, munchkin city.

Nightfall

#65
July 07, 2011, 09:33:30 AM
Hensley,

No, I just rolled REALLY well at the outset of this character AND I spent a goodly amount of gold on a belt of physical perfection +6 AND a headband of mental prowess +6.

So that's how I got that. But because I have that, I was having a +23 Fort, +18 Reflex, and a +22 Will saves.

So honestly while anti-paladin would work...I just don't see it going that way, JUST yet.
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Seanchai

#66
July 07, 2011, 10:59:57 AM
Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;4670133) What recourse or special power does the DM actually have if you simply refuse to acknowledge his decision on a subject? I can't see any.

Keep in mind, I'm definitely not a "DM as god/ultimate authority" guy. In fact, it's been my arguing against such things here that's led me to the perception that many folks here are DM as god/ultimate authority folks.

That said, this option seems...ass backward to me. If you're a DM as god/ultimate authority person, you sat down at the table willing to follow any and all decisions while still at the table.

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jeff37923

#67
July 07, 2011, 12:29:38 PM
Quote from: Seanchai;467086Keep in mind, I'm definitely not a "DM as god/ultimate authority" guy. In fact, it's been my arguing against such things here that's led me to the perception that many folks here are DM as god/ultimate authority folks.

That said, this option seems...ass backward to me. If you're a DM as god/ultimate authority person, you sat down at the table willing to follow any and all decisions while still at the table.

Seanchai

Your "all or nothing" concept application is a false premise that only serves your arguement of "DMs all suck and touch the Players in their forbidden places so they must be kept in check". Get a life.
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thedungeondelver

#68
July 07, 2011, 01:19:26 PM
Quote from: Nightfall;467077Hensley,

No, I just rolled REALLY well at the outset of this character AND I spent a goodly amount of gold on a belt of physical perfection +6 AND a headband of mental prowess +6.

So that's how I got that. But because I have that, I was having a +23 Fort, +18 Reflex, and a +22 Will saves.

So honestly while anti-paladin would work...I just don't see it going that way, JUST yet.

Come on: your DM set out to fuck you straight from the get-go.  Return the favor.

Jesus christ...opening a sealed door = class loss?

And you guys bitch about 1e DMs.
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Seanchai

#69
July 07, 2011, 02:19:32 PM
Quote from: thedungeondelver;467107Return the favor.

Or don't. Making DMing about using your position for personal ends - whether it's revenge, making your girlfriend happy, etc. - doesn't end well. If you sow this sort of seed, you'll reap nothing but grief.

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Nightfall

#70
July 07, 2011, 03:03:26 PM
Seanchai,

I plan on making my DMing Carrion Crown about three things (in this order); 1) Scaring the crap out of the players at least once a session. (More is doable but once certainly.) 2) All the players feel equal and having an enjoyable session while still squirming in their seats. 3) Having my revenge on my old DM by killing his character. As you can see it's a lower priority than 1 and/or 2.
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Elfdart

#71
July 07, 2011, 06:08:48 PM
Quote from: Seanchai;467114Or don't. Making DMing about using your position for personal ends - whether it's revenge, making your girlfriend happy, etc. - doesn't end well. If you sow this sort of seed, you'll reap nothing but grief.

Seanchai

That was the DM's decision. If he doesn't face consequences for being an asshole, he'll continue to be one.
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Planet Algol

#72
July 07, 2011, 08:30:15 PM
I just can't see how damaging/destroying someone else's property out of curiosity (assuming there were no screams for help coming from behind the door or the trail of a villain ends there) could be considered legal & ethical/lawful & good behavior.

Assuming an absence of malice and that the character was acting out of good intentions, that still seems pretty "chaotic."
Yeah, but who gives a fuck? You? Jibba?

Well congrats. No one else gives a shit, so your arguments are a waste of breath.

Planet Algol

#73
July 07, 2011, 09:02:23 PM
Although a paladin losing their cool as a result of being taunted and jerked around by demons, and thusly acting rashly and losing their paladin-hood is a pretty awesome bit of emergent story, and brings to mind mythological vibes of heroes being tricked by adversaries into acting out of hubris and being punished by the gods for their hotheaded actions or a Jedi being "reverse mental tortured" into turning to the dark side.
Yeah, but who gives a fuck? You? Jibba?

Well congrats. No one else gives a shit, so your arguments are a waste of breath.

Seanchai

#74
July 08, 2011, 12:43:34 AM
Quote from: Nightfall;4671213) Having my revenge on my old DM by killing his character.

Was having revenge on your paladin for some slight, real or imagined, in or out of game, that you dealt him?

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