Quote from: Grognard GM on January 04, 2023, 08:26:31 PM

Quote from: David Johansen on January 04, 2023, 08:22:54 PM
I suspect the real problem lies at the Hasbro level.  Like Disney, Hasbro probably sees itself as primarily selling to families with children and is terrified of bad publicity that might impact sales.

Which is ironic, because they push all kinds of ultra far left lunacy that parents HATE.

Not PBS parents.

PBS parents are weird.

So it's kinda funny. I occasionally go to the OSR subreddit.....can't stand 'em most of the time, but they're whinging and hand-wringing about the unfair portrayal in the PBS article as well. My thought was, well take the medicine like we've been doing. Doesn't taste very well do it?

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on January 04, 2023, 10:04:37 PM
So it's kinda funny. I occasionally go to the OSR subreddit.....can't stand 'em most of the time, but they're whinging and hand-wringing about the unfair portrayal in the PBS article as well. My thought was, well take the medicine like we've been doing. Doesn't taste very well do it?

Exactly my thought. I got downvoted to hades there when I mentioned liking Dark Albion. Now they're upset they're getting the same treatment they give us.

Quote from: PulpHerb on January 04, 2023, 04:59:22 PM

Quote from: Warlock on January 04, 2023, 05:18:55 AM
Now I don't remember which game that was, but I think Paizo came up with the concept that demons can be good in Pathfinder 2 ed. No comment here.

I'm not doubting you, but why did they need to come up with a concept.

"Good" demons are called angels. Even if we want to limit to RPGs that's been a concept since at least the mid-90s in the SJG version of In Nomine where each type of angel has their demonic opposite and angels can fall and demons can repent.

More importantly, there was a cynical angle towards angels and demons having a kind of professional attitude towards their jobs. Demons torment humanity, angels appeal to their better nature, but it's all in a day's work. Nothing personal.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on January 04, 2023, 11:36:53 PM

Quote from: PulpHerb on January 04, 2023, 04:59:22 PM

Quote from: Warlock on January 04, 2023, 05:18:55 AM
Now I don't remember which game that was, but I think Paizo came up with the concept that demons can be good in Pathfinder 2 ed. No comment here.

I'm not doubting you, but why did they need to come up with a concept.

"Good" demons are called angels. Even if we want to limit to RPGs that's been a concept since at least the mid-90s in the SJG version of In Nomine where each type of angel has their demonic opposite and angels can fall and demons can repent.

More importantly, there was a cynical angle towards angels and demons having a kind of professional attitude towards their jobs. Demons torment humanity, angels appeal to their better nature, but it's all in a day's work. Nothing personal.

I prefer Babylon 5's take on Angels (Vorlons = Order) and Demons (Shadows = Chaos).  They fit the OSR lore of Chaos vs Law better IMHO.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on January 04, 2023, 11:36:53 PM

Quote from: PulpHerb on January 04, 2023, 04:59:22 PM

Quote from: Warlock on January 04, 2023, 05:18:55 AM
Now I don't remember which game that was, but I think Paizo came up with the concept that demons can be good in Pathfinder 2 ed. No comment here.

I'm not doubting you, but why did they need to come up with a concept.

"Good" demons are called angels. Even if we want to limit to RPGs that's been a concept since at least the mid-90s in the SJG version of In Nomine where each type of angel has their demonic opposite and angels can fall and demons can repent.

More importantly, there was a cynical angle towards angels and demons having a kind of professional attitude towards their jobs. Demons torment humanity, angels appeal to their better nature, but it's all in a day's work. Nothing personal.

Indeed. I played In Nomine for years, as an Angel, and almost the entirety was with another player as a Demon. It was like a "no politics outside of work" deal.

The PBS article was clearly full of lies and unprofessional.  The members of this forum clearly see that.  The question now is "where do we go from here?".  My advice is to continue to prove them wrong.  The gaming community has always been more welcoming thank any other.  Old and new gamers need to continue that and not get duped into divisive infighting. We know old school games are not based on hate.  In spirit the rules encourage team play to overcome challenges by evil and oppression.  We need to continue to show the truth.

Those of us with public platforms, such as 'Pundit, will continue to spread the truth in a dignified way. 

This latest wave of hateful lies about the community will be proven wrong and pass.  By working with all gaming hobbiests the community will continue to grow in beneficial ways.

Well gentleman, it appears as though the OSR movement is the next cultural battleground. The Moral Authority conquered the mainstream, and now they're looking to takeover what's left of the Normal TTRPG community that has yet to kiss the ring.

With the r/OSR subreddit going into full meltdown mode and damage control over the PBS article, it's all just academic at this point.

There is no refuge from the zealots. There's nowhere to hide.

You WILL be assimilated and partake in Right Think and you WILL do it with a smile on your face or you WILL face the consequences.

Never thought I'd see this hobby completely ruined from outside influences. Yet here we are.

Quote from: Monero on January 05, 2023, 10:28:15 AMYou WILL be assimilated and partake in Right Think and you WILL do it with a smile on your face or you WILL face the consequences.

Nahh, just turn off your computer and play whatever you want.

It's only ruined if you let it be. Until they can prevent sales of non-woke products they're just sound and fury. Look at how well their efforts went with other traditional companies where the woke outrage just drove normal people to buy more from them and actually improved their sales.

I for one plan to make no apologies for my non-OGL traditional heroic virtues based fantasy game.

Social media is pretty extreme. I can't talk about a certain author on r/OSR but I can buy his stuff at my FLGS. Nobody in the real world knows or cares about rarified OSR drama.

So I'll repeat again what I once heard here: Get out and run the games you like how you like, in person. Use social media to find players but otherwise avoid it.

Quote from: Brad on January 05, 2023, 10:31:12 AM

Quote from: Monero on January 05, 2023, 10:28:15 AMYou WILL be assimilated and partake in Right Think and you WILL do it with a smile on your face or you WILL face the consequences.

Nahh, just turn off your computer and play whatever you want.

Because the fascists will stay on nsocial media and their shit will never filter down to the real world right?

Ask Dr Peterson about his license to practice.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 05, 2023, 11:34:53 AM
Because the fascists will stay on nsocial media and their shit will never filter down to the real world right?

Ask Dr Peterson about his license to practice.

You'll be in shackles over something else long before they break your door down for playing non-approved rpgs. After society collapses back into the stone age from the impeding civil wars, all those printed books I have will escalate in value.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 05, 2023, 11:34:53 AM

Quote from: Brad on January 05, 2023, 10:31:12 AM

Quote from: Monero on January 05, 2023, 10:28:15 AMYou WILL be assimilated and partake in Right Think and you WILL do it with a smile on your face or you WILL face the consequences.

Nahh, just turn off your computer and play whatever you want.

Because the fascists will stay on nsocial media and their shit will never filter down to the real world right?

Ask Dr Peterson about his license to practice.

Generally, I agree. Stuff filters through.

However, for RPGs, I've played in (and run) many IRL public games and I've never encountered anything resembling social media OSR SJR drama. Most people IRL are pretty reasonable and flexible and just want to game.

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 03, 2023, 09:56:00 AM
PBS, much like the BBC and CBC, are institutions that were once BEACONS of unbiased news and opinions. The problem is they were infiltrated and became biased sleeze pits, but normies still watch and consume the opinions, totally unaware of the sea change.

It's maddening.

That had to be a LONG time ago, because even in the late 1980s, I remember PBS being skewed fringe left.