can confirm. when i joined an osr community i was bombarded with a thousand racial slurs per second until i left.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on January 03, 2023, 04:21:14 PM

Quote from: Brad on January 03, 2023, 03:02:26 PMI think there's something more nefarious going on here; these SJW retards are just useful idiots to push an agenda.

I said this early on and it is looking more true each day. The whole focus on race vs species in One D&D is just to create a social stigma against playing the older, racist versions of the game. Pushing everyone back into the fold of the One approved game.

What's funny is seeing people like Gobllinoid Games acting as if they will be spared by bending the knee.

I have been thinking the same. They have very cleverly bent the narrative to pain any older gaming as bad and odds are they have something else on the works to "prove" it or just push another lie.

Marketing needs to die in Hell across the board at this point. If Marketing were not pushing these things hard they would not get so much traction so fast.

Quote from: jhkim on January 03, 2023, 11:27:08 AM
The last part doesn't make sense. The indefinite play is low cost to continue, not low cost to start. The hardbound rulebooks are still relatively expensive, plus the difficult learning curve compared to some other entertainment.

Well, there's an outlay, sure, but even today a premium hardcover, not counting limited editions and such, is still no more expensive than a AAA computer game, probably less. That may be "relatively expensive", but as a one time fee for potentially years and years of use, it's not bad.

Plus you can buy less expensive books, like Palladium's offerings, or stick to PDFs and indie games... Or, hell, free games, of which there are a plethora.

Roleplaying, particularly in the last 15 years or so, has become one of the most affordable hobbies you can find.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 03, 2023, 05:53:04 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 03, 2023, 05:17:05 PM

Quote from: Brad on January 03, 2023, 05:10:19 PM
There's always only been One D&D, comrade.

I'd rather wear the head-cage full of rats.

I'd rather wear the skin of Jeremy Perkins and make hate love to his husband than play One D&D.

That is an awful picture, right there....

(I don't mind the topic. People need to know that there is a dissenting opinion, and they aren't the only ones who see the Emperor Has No Clothes...)

I mean... orcs weren't even a race back in pre-Book of Humanoids times. They were under the monster section so the race argument is wrong. I'm trying to find logic here (I know this is an impossible task when it comes to the woke left, but it is worth the laugh nonetheless). If orcs being evil is wrong then why killing Mind Flyers is ok? Or oozes? Should we like ask every dungeon denizen about their political views before we decide to kill them? Or having tentacles is good enough reason to kill? Can't we detach ourselves and kill them in the same manner as we kill humans (in all spectrums of skin colors), orcs, and monsters in video games? Should every video game now feature orcs as a noble and wilderness-loving culture like TTRPGs are now forced to?

Now I don't remember which game that was, but I think Paizo came up with the concept that demons can be good in Pathfinder 2 ed. No comment here.

Now the argument about demihuman races being inferior is wrong too. Yes, they had level limits and were kinda designed to discourage players from picking just them, because Gygax wanted to have fantasy sword & sorcery game with only humans as playable characters but was kinda forced to bring other races to D&D because of LotR hype. BUT! All the races except Hobbits were superior to humans at first few levels. Especially elves. And because of the extremely high death rate at low levels in D&D, it was a statistically better idea to bring an elf than magic user or even cleric! I don't buy this inferiority argument.

It's so weird that "white straight male" has become such a pejorative these days.

And what exactly is "wrong" with appealing to white straight men? I mean without them the hobby would've died a Long time ago. Who the fuck do these woke cunts think supported the game for the decades that they existed before Stranger Things and Critical Role made them trendy?

Nobody complained when white straight men were ostracized, made fun of, and bullied, back when it wasn't cool or cute to be a nerd or geek that played them "witchcraft games in their moms basement".

But now that the hobby is cool and has been fully appropriated by the mainstream, now the core fan base that kept game companies from going bankrupt are suddenly the enemy??

Quote from: Monero on January 04, 2023, 08:46:01 AM
And what exactly is "wrong" with appealing to white straight men?

They already own that demographic, so it's time to go after all the other groups. It's like what the NFL does with all those horseshit vignettes to appeal to women...$$$$$$$

You can shame the straight white males into just going along with it on the oft chance they might get laid, but eventually you start to lose viewership, which is what is happening. Normal people who just want to watch football, or play fucking elf games, literally do not give one fuck about any of this stuff. It's all a bunch of edge lords on the internet clamoring for "representation" when they make up such an insignificant percentage of the population interested in such pursuits as to be inconsequential to the bottom line. WotC is going to just go too far and lose the average D&D player who is tired of being lectured to, just like the average NFL fan stopped watching during all that BLM kneeling nonsense. The real issue is that most people have the memory of a goldfish, so they can be easily duped into returning to a medium if the purveyor of said medium just pretends none of that ever happened. New Coke? One D&D? Nahh, that never existed, just buy our stuff again! Then the cycle will repeat itself at some point, probably.

Cf. Gillette razors as a recent example of a company pushing the limits too far and dialing it waaaaaaay back. I will say that at this point IDGAF what WotC does because I have a negative amount of interest in ever playing D&D again unless it's AD&D or B/X, which I already own multiple copies of. There is no compelling reason for me to ever give them another dime, so in that sense they royally screwed the pooch considering I purchased literally every product for 3.X and nearly everything for 5 as well.

Quote from: Brad on January 04, 2023, 10:08:17 AM

Quote from: Monero on January 04, 2023, 08:46:01 AM
And what exactly is "wrong" with appealing to white straight men?

They already own that demographic, so it's time to go after all the other groups. It's like what the NFL does with all those horseshit vignettes to appeal to women...$$$$$$$

You can shame the straight white males into just going along with it on the oft chance they might get laid, but eventually you start to lose viewership, which is what is happening. Normal people who just want to watch football, or play fucking elf games, literally do not give one fuck about any of this stuff. It's all a bunch of edge lords on the internet clamoring for "representation" when they make up such an insignificant percentage of the population interested in such pursuits as to be inconsequential to the bottom line. WotC is going to just go too far and lose the average D&D player who is tired of being lectured to, just like the average NFL fan stopped watching during all that BLM kneeling nonsense. The real issue is that most people have the memory of a goldfish, so they can be easily duped into returning to a medium if the purveyor of said medium just pretends none of that ever happened. New Coke? One D&D? Nahh, that never existed, just buy our stuff again! Then the cycle will repeat itself at some point, probably.

Cf. Gillette razors as a recent example of a company pushing the limits too far and dialing it waaaaaaay back. I will say that at this point IDGAF what WotC does because I have a negative amount of interest in ever playing D&D again unless it's AD&D or B/X, which I already own multiple copies of. There is no compelling reason for me to ever give them another dime, so in that sense they royally screwed the pooch considering I purchased literally every product for 3.X and nearly everything for 5 as well.

If I need any older content form WotC, I download and ensure they get not one red penny from me till they remove the racist warning on all content pre 5E woke fuck writers.  You can't get most Dragon Magazines now without pirating, they aren't available for sale on DMs Guild because the fucks don't give a shit about past content, whereas a lot of us do.  The scans on DMs guild have been bad.  I've had to pirate PDF's because the PDF's from the DMsguild weren't usable compared to pirate content, I'd probably be in break because I paid for version 1.3 from DMsguild that sucks but the pirate scan of 1.0 is perfect but its not the same version welcome to US copyright laws. 

The whole thing is beyond frustrating and then they tell you not to buy the old content because its racist, sexist and just wrong man.  Instead comrade, buy our woke communist shit where Orcs are gay and you are dating them to get to level 3, now roll 20 to see whose the top. No thanks.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 04, 2023, 11:09:50 AMYou can't get most Dragon Magazines now without pirating, they aren't available for sale on DMs Guild because the fucks don't give a shit about past content, whereas a lot of us do.  The scans on DMs guild have been bad.  I've had to pirate PDF's because the PDF's from the DMsguild weren't usable compared to pirate content, I'd probably be in break because I paid for version 1.3 from DMsguild that sucks but the pirate scan of 1.0 is perfect but its not the same version welcome to US copyright laws.

This is a slight tangent, because it involves copyright BS rather than Marxist censorship, but I'm reminded of the Judge Dredd And The Worlds Of 2000AD rpg.

When they lost the license for Judge Dredd, not only was the book discontinued, but you can not buy a PDF copy anywhere, and it's even scrubbed from the high seas! If I hadn't once held the book in my hands, I'd swear it was just a fever dream!

It may be a somewhat naïve stance in a world of corporate overlords and copyright bear traps, but I'm of a mind that anything written should be available in some digital format in 2023.

I didn't even think the game was particularly good, but DAMN!

I stopped watching PBS about 15 years ago. They were for the most part just a boring station to watch. Even then I only became aware of it because they had Doctor Who marathons to raise money.

Even then it was hard to watch because they showed some of it 40-45 mins of begging for money rinse and repeat. Even if you had a VCR it made it annoying to watch. Overall constant begging for cash coupled with being tone deaf about wanting to at the time cater and only yo the 50 years old plus crowd. They wanted money wanted younger viewers yet kept showing opera and more. That and their very limited selection of shows I liked really made it that I stopped watching and never returned.

Glad I did as the SJW rot seems to have gutted them through and through. As usual their fellow SJWs on this site remain silent. We can't call out a garbage biased article can we. It might hurt our status with our fellow SJWs.

Quote from: Warlock on January 04, 2023, 05:18:55 AM
Now I don't remember which game that was, but I think Paizo came up with the concept that demons can be good in Pathfinder 2 ed. No comment here.

That was WotC shitting the bed again. PF2E actually has demons that are not only evil, they are such icons of sin and malice that certain spells and actions will damage them if they take advantage of it.

PF2E's succubus, for example, suffers damage if she fails to seduce or charm a target. Worse, the target can then deal damage to her as part of a Demoralize action if it incorporates said failure or rejection.

(Cue the wizard chasing the screaming succubus down a hall, yelling, 'I'M GAY!')

I know Paizo has done some amazingly dumb shit, but I find this concept to be a wonderful idea.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on January 04, 2023, 11:26:06 AM
(Cue the wizard chasing the screaming succubus down a hall, yelling, 'I'M GAY!')

"You take 1d10 Stunning damage, and 2d4 Brave damage!"

I still consider D&D players to have been more likely to be unpopular and bullied kids, so we formed a somewhat shut off or exclusive group to protect ourselves from bullies and harassment.  It doesn't surprise me that these commies are now trying to tell us that we are the bullies.   

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 04, 2023, 11:30:54 AM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on January 04, 2023, 11:26:06 AM
(Cue the wizard chasing the screaming succubus down a hall, yelling, 'I'M GAY!')

"You take 1d10 Stunning damage, and 2d4 Brave damage!"

You laugh, but just about every demon has some kind of quirky vulnerability related to its sin like that. In fact, the only one that doesn't is the balor, but that fucker sits at the top of the food chain.