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PATHFINDER - Ed/Koltar / I now own a copy of it

Started by Koltar, July 01, 2010, 12:03:17 AM

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ggroy

#15
July 01, 2010, 06:26:11 PM
As long as Paizo is able to sell enough copies of their Pathfinder AP books (and other supplement books) to their regular customers every month, they'll probably be able to get away with "thriving" on stagnation.

It's when the number of people buying the AP books significantly declines, is when they'll have to rethink their business model.  For example, one indicator to look for is if one day they decided to start publishing their AP books in black and white greyscales and on lower quality paper.

ggroy

#16
July 01, 2010, 06:27:54 PM
Quote from: The_Shadow;391168What's the alternative to "stagnation"? Putting out a new ruleset every couple of years because (A) you didn't get it right the previous time, or (B) you just want to reboot to sell more units?

Business as usual for the big gorilla rpg publisher.

ggroy

#17
July 01, 2010, 07:07:24 PM
Quote from: The_Shadow;391168What's the alternative to "stagnation"? Putting out a new ruleset every couple of years because (A) you didn't get it right the previous time, or (B) you just want to reboot to sell more units?

The number of "suckers" willing to buy a new edition, could one day decline to the point where it does not bring in enough revenue.  For the big fish, that day could take many decades if not a century.

The 50th anniversary of D&D will be in 2024.  Maybe Blizzard or a future holodeck supplier company will own it by then.

Caesar Slaad

#18
July 01, 2010, 07:22:49 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;391140If I want to use Warlocks, Duskblades, Psychic Warriors, or Crusaders using Pathfinder, I either have to do some rules juggling or handwave the inconsistencies.

With the exception of one of those, those came in the great class glut of 3.5 and I never allowed in my game anyways. Now I generally won't have to worry about my players asking me to play them.

Advantage: Pathfinder.
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#19
July 01, 2010, 07:38:03 PM
I just...idk.  3.5 worked for a while, but a lot of the fun I had was in spite of some of the weird kinks in play.  Is Pathfinder really that much of an improvement in play?

I mean, 4e is working alright for our group now, but I do prefer the more broad focus of the 3.x d20 system vs Fight Fighting Fighty (not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but I'm not big on the default adventure design for 4e or Savage Worlds since they're very Bang! Bang! Bang! Pulpy/comic action heroes stuff).  It's just that dealing with the back-end stuff in 3.x was always a chore and didn't seem to add all that much to play.  I don't mind crunch, but I want results when I have to deal with it.
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Koltar

#20
July 01, 2010, 08:02:59 PM
I am at work right now ......so this will be brief.

My first response: Oh my frakking Kahless!.

(Didn't know an argument would start by accident)

Next response: I bought the book, at a discount, So far I think its pretty alright.
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#21
July 01, 2010, 10:41:14 PM
Quote from: Koltar;391202(Didn't know an argument would start by accident)

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Koltar

#22
July 02, 2010, 02:49:36 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;391144I don't know, the two main sources of appeal for Pathfinder are:

1. Stick it to WotC
2. Keep 3.5E in print!

(as I don't really care about either of those, I am understandably unimpressed with Pathfinder)

I think #1 will certainly diminish as time passes, but #2 might linger for a while.

Well thats you.

I on the other hand noticed all the good will that PAIZO in general generates by their attitude and customer relations. Also the damn book used to sell out within 24 hours of arriving at the store.

Oh yeah - I buy PAIZO maps and 'generic' Gamemastery products all the time in the hopes of using them with GURPS or some other roleplaying game.  The art direction and general quality of PAIZO products have pretty much left me impressed over the past 5 or 6 years.

So, I thought I'd give PATHFINDER a look and even a purchase - its very likely worth it considering PAIZO's track record with me.

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Windjammer

#23
July 02, 2010, 03:04:07 PM
Quote from: DeadUematsu;391029The book is PRETTY. That's it though.

Exactly my opinion. I'd love to have that as a quote on the blurb of my copy.
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#24
July 02, 2010, 03:12:56 PM
Quote from: Koltar;391394Well thats you.

I on the other hand noticed all the good will that PAIZO in general generates by their attitude and customer relations. Also the damn book used to sell out within 24 hours of arriving at the store.

Oh yeah - I buy PAIZO maps and 'generic' Gamemastery products all the time in the hopes of using them with GURPS or some other roleplaying game.  The art direction and general quality of PAIZO products have pretty much left me impressed over the past 5 or 6 years.

So, I thought I'd give PATHFINDER a look and even a purchase - its very likely worth it considering PAIZO's track record with me.

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ggroy

#25
July 02, 2010, 03:19:03 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;391405while now nice the people who publish it are has almost no impact on my game at the table.

It's all a con perpetrated by the employees and owners of Paizo.  :rolleyes:

Werekoala

#26
July 02, 2010, 03:25:05 PM
Pathfinder and the Beastiary are beautiful books. I read both cover-to-cover when I got them and really liked them a lot, but will probably never get a chance to use them aside from the PbP we've got going here. But I still got my money's worth from the enjoyment of reading them and the ideas that I got from them.
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Mistwell

#27
July 02, 2010, 05:26:56 PM
Quote from: Koltar;391394I on the other hand noticed all the good will that PAIZO in general generates by their attitude and customer relations.

Why do you care about goodwill, attitude, and customer relations, for an RPG?

Is OD&D a worse game because it has no company behind it to offer goodwill, attitude, or customer relations at all, for example?

I can see goodwill, attitude, and customer relations being important to you in general as someone who works at a game store.  But, for deciding which game to play? Shouldn't that be based on the content of the game, not the good feelings you get from the game producer?

Nightfall

#28
July 02, 2010, 10:55:32 PM
Mist,

So you're saying the game that WotC produces or even WW currently are better because they lack better customer input?

Btw Koltar I hope you're enjoying the book.

Al,

*waves* And secondly there IS a Pathfinder version of Warlock out there. Just not needed when you compare the rest of the stuff. (Plus I like Otherworld stuff for extra base classes. Armiger is the new win.)
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#29
July 02, 2010, 11:02:27 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;391223And you've been using the Internet for how long?

And as arguments go, especially on this site, this was awful civil.
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