I now own a copy of PATHFINDER.

Never got much of a chance to look at it while at the store because it usually sold out within 24 hours of delivery. (I wasn't kidding about that shit)

SO, I took advantage of one of those 40% off coupons that BORDERS books e-mails to its Members Club folks (like me!!) At 40% off - I thought hell; yeah I'll get a copy of PATHFINDER.

So far, I'm liking it better than my D&D 4/e books. The lsyout and artwork are pretty damn nice.

......more details as I go through it all.

Oh, and that spine is so thick that I'm worried about the binding falling apart.

- Ed C.

The book is PRETTY. That's it though.

Too little, too late.

I bought it so I'd have a hard copy SRD to supplement Iron Heroes 2 when it's eventually released. It's a nice looking book.

....Looking through it/ scanning through it and such.....:

The GETTING STARTED section
On page 11 - Creature? Huh, Sort of interesting that "creature" is a a catch-all term that includes PCs, NPCs, and monsters.

On Page 13 - Wow! (minor sarcasm) An Example of Play! Let's see how this one reads.
Magic Missile? That spell is infamous. Ooh! Ooh! An illustration of the example of play on the top of the next page. Not quite how I imagined the attacking skeletons.
Okay Now I decide to look at just the artwork and then go back to straight reading of it.

On pages 18-19 there is a two page illustration introducing Races. Its alright - I just prefer a tad more realism in RPG artwork.

Page 20 - Yow. Its the swimsuit issue of a magazine done Fantasy races style.
The Elf example looks like a grumpy surfer dude.
The Gnome girl has purple punk hair. (Or is that normal for them?) Ah! The text says that hair color isd normal for Gnomes.....


more soon.....


- Ed C.

Quote from: Koltar;391124The Gnome girl has purple punk hair. (Or is that normal for them?) Ah! The text says that hair color isd normal for Gnomes.....

Punk rock gnomes.  

If I want to use Warlocks, Duskblades, Psychic Warriors, or Crusaders using Pathfinder, I either have to do some rules juggling or handwave the inconsistencies. With 3.5E I don't.

3.5E wins.

Quote from: thecasualoblivion;391140If I want to use Warlocks, Duskblades, Psychic Warriors, or Crusaders using Pathfinder, I either have to do some rules juggling or handwave the inconsistencies.

Wouldn't be surprised if Paizo eventually creates similar classes for Pathfinder, even if it takes them several years to do so.  Though by then, the question is who would actually still be interested in it.

Quote from: ggroy;391141Wouldn't be surprised if Paizo eventually creates similar classes for Pathfinder, even if it takes them several years to do so.  Though by then, the question is who would actually still be interested in it.

I don't know, the two main sources of appeal for Pathfinder are:

1. Stick it to WotC
2. Keep 3.5E in print!

(as I don't really care about either of those, I am understandably unimpressed with Pathfinder)

I think #1 will certainly diminish as time passes, but #2 might linger for a while.

Quote from: thecasualoblivion;391144I don't know, the two main sources of appeal for Pathfinder are:

1. Stick it to WotC
2. Keep 3.5E in print!

(as I don't really care about either of those, I am understandably unimpressed with Pathfinder)

I think #1 will certainly diminish as time passes, but #2 might linger for a while.

The peak for #1 probably would have been during Gencon 2009 and for several months afterward.  Almost a year later, there doesn't seem to be much of that crowd today.  The hardcore #1 crowd probably hangs out at Paizo's forums these days.

#2 is something that resembles the road to stagnation.  It may very well be the case that we will never see a 2E Pathfinder.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Paizo becoming the 2010's version of "Palladium", where they end up thriving on stagnation for more than a decade with a stable hardcore crowd who buys everything they publish every month.

In other words:  a slow death.

I don't see it as stagnation at all. To me, the game is the same thing as first edition. You still do the same stuff. Your hit points still double at second level. Your fighter still gets a 5% bonus to hit every level.

I think Pathfinder will endure for a long time because the exact same shit has endured for decades.

What's the alternative to "stagnation"? Putting out a new ruleset every couple of years because (A) you didn't get it right the previous time, or (B) you just want to reboot to sell more units? I'll take "stagnation", thanks.

Absolutely, Chess, Basketball, and Golf seem to have endured under the same rules for a long time. For that matter, the stupid video game Star Craft still sells copies and is played by a lot of people despite being an old video game.

Change isn't necessary. I don't need new rules to write new adventures or play it differently. Changing within the old system is part of the fun for me.