Pathfinder 2e - or Will pundit be proven right?

Haffrung · April 05, 2019, 01:03:51 PM

Quote from: SHARK;1082315Indeed, Chris, the Liberals and SJW's are *Increasing* in their bizarre depravity. I've seen where SJW's have championed various Liberal psychologists that have come out in support of NAMBLA. This clown even wrote a peer-reviewed paper supporting adults having sexual relations with children, and talking about how children are capable of enjoying sex, and social taboos against such are "reactionary and misguided." There's also been several other such fine psychologists, doctors, and authors that apparently have jumped on supporting such a bandwagon. I've read where various academic Liberals have embraced the ideas of continuously lowering the "Age of Consent" to the age of 12, or younger, arguing that children can embrace the "joys of consensual sex." Evidently, as you mentioned, there's also a growing consciousness that bestiality--especially sexual relations with dogs--is growing in popularity, and more are embracing that as a wondrous expression of sexuality. I keep hearing snippets that incest is also *lessening* in its taboo.

You need to find better sources for your fear-mongering, because that's a bunch of nonsense. The age of consent has been increased almost everywhere compared with 40 years ago. Teen sex is way down. Society is becoming increasingly anxious about underage sex and disparity in ages, not less. When you were young, a 29 year old dating a 21 year wouldn't have raised any eyebrows. Today, its regarded as extremely creepy. A college professor having a relationship with a student was not out of the ordinary in the 70s or 80. Today it's likely to end in the professor being fired and publicly denounced and shamed.

RPGPundit · April 10, 2019, 11:34:49 PM

Please keep this ON TOPIC to the subject of the RPG hobby, not veering off to general political topics, please. Seriously guys, how many threads do I have to issue this warning for?

Shasarak · April 11, 2019, 01:02:52 AM

So the Pathfinder 2 rules have been locked down ready for printing, less then four months to go now.

Daztur · April 11, 2019, 01:44:17 AM

Quote from: Shasarak;1082950So the Pathfinder 2 rules have been locked down ready for printing, less then four months to go now.

Didn't realize that PFO had been released in any capacity. So paid alpha access basically? The public forums seem pretty damn dead though with some forums not having any posts this YEAR so I don't think they're going to come close to recouping their costs.

Tinman · April 11, 2019, 11:06:27 AM

I have a lot of money invested in Pathfinder 1.0 and I have no intention of re-buying everything again. I did that too many times with D&D.

Rhedyn · April 11, 2019, 11:45:28 AM

Quote from: Tinman;1082980I have a lot of money invested in Pathfinder 1.0 and I have no intention of re-buying everything again. I did that too many times with D&D.

Paizo's core demographic everybody!

kythri · April 11, 2019, 12:10:54 PM

Quote from: Shasarak;1082950So the Pathfinder 2 rules have been locked down ready for printing, less then four months to go now.

Will the Chinese printers/government shred Baizuo's latest offering before the Gencon release? STAY TUNED!

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kythri · April 11, 2019, 12:15:43 PM

Or is this color scheme more appropriate?

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kythri · April 11, 2019, 12:22:10 PM

Or is this color scheme more appropriate?

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Haffrung · April 11, 2019, 01:09:53 PM

Quote from: Rhedyn;1082983Paizo's core demographic everybody!

A core demographic of people who don't want to buy more books is a suicidal business model. And just hanging on to their current player-base is also death for Paizo. They need to rejuvenate and grow the player-base, or attrition will relentlessly shrink their market down to nothing.

Ratman_tf · April 11, 2019, 02:01:03 PM

Quote from: Haffrung;1082991A core demographic of people who don't want to buy more books is a suicidal business model. And just hanging on to their current player-base is also death for Paizo. They need to rejuvenate and grow the player-base, or attrition will relentlessly shrink their market down to nothing.

What would you do?

If anything, D&D 4th edition is a great example of change that fizzled. Throwing everything away to chase a new player-base can result in losing existing players and failing to bring in enough new players to "rejuvenate" the brand.

Personally, (I think I put this forward near the beginning of the thread) is slowly iterate. Pathfinder 2.0 should be easily backwards compatible with 1.0, to retain existing customers, and introduce enough new content to encourage them to move to the new version. Starfinder is a pretty good example. While there are differences (KAC and EAC, multiple attacks are changed, crits don't have to be confirmed) it's easily compatible with Pathfinder 1.0.

cenmarik · April 11, 2019, 03:55:08 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1082993What would you do?

Keep PF 1E as-is (or sell 'Unchained Update' books) and introduce a PF "lite," (maybe something close to C&C w/specific options for minis & going tactical) justifying a (re)launch of hordes of product while expanding future APs to both systems. (Which acts as a free ad-nag.)

I don't see this current move ending well for Paizo at all.

(Addenda: Beginner Box may do some of this, but expand on that.)

Mordred Pendragon · April 11, 2019, 04:24:55 PM

Pathfinder 1E was pretty cool.

Pathfinder 2E is going to be a shipwreck of an RPG, just like D&D 4E and V5.

D&D 4E was like the Titanic of RPG's

V5 was the Lusitania of RPG's

PF 2E will be the Andrea Doria of RPG's

Shasarak · April 11, 2019, 06:16:41 PM

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1083008V5 was the Lusitania of RPG's

V5 was an elaborate trap to give USA an excuse to join the war against Germany?

Shasarak · April 11, 2019, 06:22:29 PM

Quote from: Tinman;1082980I have a lot of money invested in Pathfinder 1.0 and I have no intention of re-buying everything again. I did that too many times with D&D.

As I understand it Pathfinder 2 is not going to be reprinted Pathfinder 1 books with new mechanics.

But that is of course just a rando internet asshats opinion.