Countdown to Pathfinder 2 begins:  Only 23 days to go before Gen Con 2019 and the release of Pathfinder 2.

What is the most exciting thing that you are looking foward to?

For me it is the opening up of the action economy.  No more full, standard, move, swift or immediate actions the perfect socialist action world.

And of course having a fully woke character sheet with a space where I can write my characters pronouns is just the cherry on the proverbial cake.


Edit: It is now the future and Pathfinder 2 has arrived.  So what are people that have read it saying about it?

Reviews

Know Direction

Dungeon Musings

Complexity vs. Depth -- A Look Inside Pathfinder 2nd Edition

It's Finally Here! The Pathfinder 2E Review

Pathfinder 2e is the first game to be awarded the Polygon Recommends Badge

Jeff McAleer (Gaming Gang) - Pathfinder Second Edition Core Book - Review and Page Through

Drop Lowest - Review Pathfinder 2e

Conanist did a Pathfinder 2e review.

Play Reports

Danbala - So I ran 2e for the First Time

I am looking forward to the bankruptcy of Paizo for this costly mistake.

If we could keep this thread to discussing the release of the upcoming Pathfinder 2.

I am.  I also firmly believe Pathfinder 2 is going to be a major failure that will bring out hard times for Paizo, or kill it.

I think it will find an audience since it doesn't have the baggage of the D&D name.

I like the idea of better customization than 5e. I'm most interested to see how consistent they made the whole game. Like, how many sub-systems per class does a DM have to remember (or not)?

The play-test didn't really inspire me. So, I'm eager to see how they tuned it up in the final product.

Know Direction 201 – The Road to Pathfinder 2E with Jason Bulmahn and Logan Bonner.

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Know Direction 202 – The Road to Pathfinder 2e Part 2 with Jason Bulmahn and Stephen Radney-Macfarland.

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Quote from: Shasarak;1094925What is the most exciting thing that you are looking foward to?

More characters with danger hair.

The playtest wasn't an awful game, it just moved away from the parts people liked about PF1 and double downed on unique but less interesting elements of PF1 (balance, fiddly math feats, fiddly customization).

What I found a lack of was cool abilities. And by cool abilities, I mean things useful outside of combat. I think you have to be a level 10 or 11 druid before you can wildshape for an hour rather than minutes. Hopefully when they go through to add "fluff" the "fluff" adds mechanics. For example, in Stars Without Number, I believe the artifact Colonial Arms weapon series is just flat to-hit and damage, but the fluff says that they are self repairing weapons. That last bit is cool, useful, and has nothing to do with combat.

If Paizo really did go through and add a bunch of "cool shit" to boring math abilities, then that could save the game. I don't expect we will see a drastic re-work of the fundamentals since the close of the play test, but they did promise adding more "fluff".

I want PF2e to be good, but Paizo has been historically terrible at making "cool shit" via fluff.

Their own audience doesn't want this game.  Out of curiosity, I had popped into the Pathfinder 2 playtest threads, and there were several posts that said "this game is terrible, my group and I are out."   These are groups invested enough in Pathfinder to post on their boards and playtest another edition--- and they thought it stunk.  General RPG audiences will not buy this game.  I think Paizo is likely going down with this.

Quote from: zagreus;1095053General RPG audiences will not buy this game.  I think Paizo is likely going down with this.

I think you're right. Most general customers will be looking for "D&D" when going into a game store to buy. They might see Pathfinder books near the same shelf. But "Pathfinder" would mean what to them?

Most Pathfinder groups in my area switched to 5th edition when it released, many of the holdouts are talking about switching to 5th with the impending debut of Pathfinder 2nd edition. I suspect Paizo is going to kill what momentum it had left.

I'm willing to believe that PF2E could be successful, due to the unpredictable nature of consumers.

It could happen.  It also may not.  There is a big hill there, waiting to be climbed.  We'll see.

I did ask you guys nicely to try to stick on topic about Pathfinder 2 and since you can not help yourselves I give you this:

The great Paizo bitch fest

Come on in, no grapes are too sour, no feud is too petty, no family is too inbred.  You know you want to.

Now release the Grog!