Quote from: Christopher Brady;1020881Superman is vulnerable to magic, Thor uses a magic hammer that shoots magic lightning, and he may be magic himself, but I'm hazy on that particular detail.  I'd give the edge to the God of Thunder.

Of course, the real answer is, "Whoever the writer wants to win." There are far too many variables for there to be one real answer, but Supes at his most powerful has done stupidly impossible stuff that Thor hasn't matched without outside help. You'd have to look at which characters are actually fighting, to start. Thor from the movies has no magic at all, for one thing, and there's no definitive answer as to whether (comic) Mjolnir's magic is similar enough to magic in the DC universe to qualify as exploiting Superman's weakness. And of course Superman might very well be worthy of wielding Mjolnir, so I could see a situation where Thor throws his hammer only for Superman to snatch it out of the air. Again, all up to the writer.

When I last read comics, Superman had just been depowered quite a bit so, at that time, I think Thor might have taken him. Just looking at the characters at their strongest (barring Odin Force or other external forces), my vote would be Superman.

Ha ha, I love that people are answering Superman vs. Thor.

Also, the more important  issue is who is stronger, Hulk or Thor? I will submit that Thor is stronger when Hulk is just regular mad Hulk, but Hulk will become enraged and berserker-like and become far stronger than Thor and pound Thor into Asgardian jelly.

Quote from: Nexus;1020103I didn't mean cuppa as disparing just a cup of tea, your preference.

I didn't think you were; I just put "cuppa" in quotes because it was your expression.

QuoteAnd I wasn't saying you were wrong but have a different outlook.

That's what I thought you meant. I was just elaborating for the sake of more detail and accuracy about my own preferences.

QuoteI think I mentioned before that super comics genre is one that doesn't work well with a simulate reality outlook.  To me  you end up with results that look nothing like the source material which isn't interesting or fun for me. Arguably the entire genre isn't 'realistic'. If I'm playing a super game, I want it to feel like a superhero story. But that's me. You prefer something different. No harm in that as long as everyone is having fun. End of the day, we're all playing Let's Pretend anyway.

I quite agree on all of that, and it's one of the main reasons I almost never try to play superhero RPGs. Some of my friends did run GURPS Supers for a while and it was interesting and amusing how it played out - a very savage and unbalanced and weird new thing unto itself, but yeah everyone agreed the feel was not much like a conventional superhero story.

Quote from: Dumarest;1020923Given that Superman can travel at the speed of light and fry  Thor with x-rays from a thousand miles away before Thor even knows they're fighting, and that's just one of  a dozen options , I'd  give the edge right back to Superman.

Except Superman doesn't just "travel at the speed of light" normally - and Thor has fought numerous enemies that do so (and travel faster than light more routinely than Supers - like Silver Surfer). But this is all handwavium. Superman doesn't use his travel-speed as a weapon. In straight up combat, Thor is far more established as a unparalleled fighter. More time in the ring, fighting more adversaries than Superman ever dreamed of.

I'm going to give the Mjolnir = Magic weapons = Superman weakness thing a pass. The hammer is magic, but it's been officially established in JLA vs. Avengers (one of the best stories ever) that it doesn't impact Superman's weakness. However I'd say the lightning definitely would count. It should be noted that Superman beat Thor in JLA vs. Avengers but later Thor said he wasn't going all out and if they fought again he'd beat him. Supes conceded it was possible and Thor was the toughest guy he's ever fought. /shrug.

On any given day - I'll take Thor. Mechanically in FASERIP by the way I stat both characters - Thor would win strictly because of his Fighting skill, though it would be close.

Quote from: tenbones;1021187On any given day - I'll take Thor. Mechanically in FASERIP by the way I stat both characters - Thor would win strictly because of his Fighting skill, though it would be close.

If you go with FASERIP, then Gladiator of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard can take out Thor with one slam attack (the body check that does damage based off of his ShiftZ Endurance).

Quote from: cranebump;1020036Supers! does a great job of emulating the feel of the genre. It's not a crunch system, which is really what you need in a superhero campaign. Hell, even Pundit admits that, with his comments on ICONS, that satanic, story-based system based on FATE.:-)

ICONS isn't "story-based".  Some other versions of FATE might be.