Does anyone have a list of the differences between the original PF rpg and the revised version? I have the first printing and the second edition (which is essentially just fantasy Rifts...not a fan), but am unsure what changed between the first and revised editions. Or if anything changed at all beyond some editing.

Pretty sure I have revised and a friend has original so may be able to check if everything is not in storage.

update 1: I have Revised, one of the later versions. And friend has 2nd. And I agree 2nd feels like it lost something along the way.

update 2: The differences between 1 and R are pretty small according to player who had all 3. (and they did not like 2e either...)
I'll try to get more details as most of my Palladium books are in storage so can not check directly.

update 3: According to notes some 8 years old now. One change was the removal of the "sexual deviancy" madness table.

The difference between 1st and 1st revised is simple. Revised removed the sexual deviance table from the insanity section.

*edited for clarity

Essentially, the 2nd edition was completely revised to be compatible with RIFTS. The big changes are in HTH skills, # of attacks, the addition of SDC for characters, more complex spellcasters and revamp the magic system from spells per day to a spell point system. Second also removes the monster section, and the revised Monsters and Animals book for 2nd Edition did not pick up many if any of these classic monsters, and some things were moved to Dragon's & Gods.

IME the changes may not seem to be huge on the surface, but Second edition is a more complex , less balanced, slower/fiddly running game.

I do prefer the spell point system in Second and the art is much better. The second edition revised supplements such as The Old Ones, and  Adventures on the High Seas are much better than their 1st edition counterparts.

Quote from: JeffB on March 09, 2021, 04:24:09 PM
Essentially, the 2nd edition was completely revised to be compatible with RIFTS. The big changes are in HTH skills, # of attacks, the addition of SDC for characters, more complex spellcasters and revamp the magic system from spells per day to a spell point system. Second also removes the monster section, and the revised Monsters and Animals book for 2nd Edition did not pick up many if any of these classic monsters, and some things were moved to Dragon's & Gods.

IME the changes may not seem to be huge on the surface, but Second edition is a more complex , less balanced, slower/fiddly running game.

I do prefer the spell point system in Second and the art is much better. The second edition revised supplements such as The Old Ones, and  Adventures on the High Seas are much better than their 1st edition counterparts.

You also forgot that in 2nd anyone can have the HtH Martial Arts, WP paired weapons, and any Weapon Proficiency they wish making spell/psionic OCCs the superior to any OOC without magic/psionics.

Also the bonuses to hit and such are generally higher making armor more or less useless since pretty much any attack not parried is going to beat the AR of the armor.
Most demons did not have their actions per round increased from 1st ed meaning that they are even weaker now since they'll often have fewer actions then even a 1st level PC.

Quote from: lordmalachdrim on March 09, 2021, 04:35:17 PM

Quote from: JeffB on March 09, 2021, 04:24:09 PM
Essentially, the 2nd edition was completely revised to be compatible with RIFTS. The big changes are in HTH skills, # of attacks, the addition of SDC for characters, more complex spellcasters and revamp the magic system from spells per day to a spell point system. Second also removes the monster section, and the revised Monsters and Animals book for 2nd Edition did not pick up many if any of these classic monsters, and some things were moved to Dragon's & Gods.

IME the changes may not seem to be huge on the surface, but Second edition is a more complex , less balanced, slower/fiddly running game.

I do prefer the spell point system in Second and the art is much better. The second edition revised supplements such as The Old Ones, and  Adventures on the High Seas are much better than their 1st edition counterparts.

You also forgot that in 2nd anyone can have the HtH Martial Arts, WP paired weapons, and any Weapon Proficiency they wish making spell/psionic OCCs the superior to any OOC without magic/psionics.

Also the bonuses to hit and such are generally higher making armor more or less useless since pretty much any attack not parried is going to beat the AR of the armor.
Most demons did not have their actions per round increased from 1st ed meaning that they are even weaker now since they'll often have fewer actions then even a 1st level PC.

Oh yeah, there is a ton of stuff that changed. I didn't mean to imply my list was exhaustive, thus my second (one sentence) paragraph. Gameplay changed dramatically.

Myself, I'd much rather play Kevin's original, vs the second edition.

Okay, so just the one table was removed...I have the original TMNT and the revised version, they're identical except for that table as well. In fact, there's a sticker over it in my book. Guess some people didn't care for it.

RE: second edition, again, I don't care for it. Spell points, the addition of SDC, just a ton of stuff that turned it from a really good D&D clone into Rifts fantasy, as already stated.

Yep just the one table. Remember Palladium Fantasy 1st ed was released in either 81 or 82 and parents had issues with that table in a game their kids were playing (D&D was not the only game dealing with the Religious nut jobs of the day).

I'm an idiot. I read the thread as 1E vs 2E. Not the original vs revised.

Apologies.

I believe at one point/printing they may have removed the Tombs of Gersidi adventure too, but not 100% on that.

What 2e has of use is the setting details which I believe were by Bill Coffin and are actually pretty good. 1e/R has a bit less setting info.

Quote from: JeffB on March 10, 2021, 08:14:15 AM
I'm an idiot. I read the thread as 1E vs 2E. Not the original vs revised.

Apologies.

I believe at one point/printing they may have removed the Tombs of Gersidi adventure too, but not 100% on that.

Tombs of Gersidi was removed with the release of 2e.

That is part of what meant. Aside from the setting info, 2e feels like less despite having more. I know 2e Beyond the Supernatural IS less that the original despite having a few new classes.

I am a fan of Palladium Fantasy 1e. I have both a copy of first edition and the revised.
I'd love to run a small campaign but we have a few games going already. Mostly just played it bitd.
I'm missing just a few of the supplements and the ones I have are fun reads. Book II: The Old Ones rocks as does Book V: "Further" Adventures in the Northern Wilderness.

I'm not a fan of PDFs but if your ok with them you should be able to pick them up on Drivethru

The Old Ones book was the first RPG supplement I ever read that made me really feel like the game world was super oppressive and grimy. Very well done.