Quote from: Lurtch;1082677So, you're not a customer or going to be a customer. That's my point. I understand and don't disagree with why you aren't a customer. But, if I'm running a business I wouldn't spend two seconds trying to appease you because it's not possible. Palladium doesn't have the money to refund people and selling my company doesn't work either. So, while you are a lapsed fan you're not a gettable fan

For as much as of an apologist for Palladium as you are, one might think you're being paid to shill for them, but since they (as evidenced by this latest plea for cash) haven't got a pot to piss in, we can rule that out.

Seriously, what the fuck already?

Quote from: kythri;1082696For as much as of an apologist for Palladium as you are, one might think you're being paid to shill for them, but since they (as evidenced by this latest plea for cash) haven't got a pot to piss in, we can rule that out.

Seriously, what the fuck already?

Agreed and seconded. We are told we have every right not to like Paladium Books due to the many mistakes thst the company and by extension Kevin has done. Yet we also can't  criticize them because apparently if we are not bending  over backwards kissing Kevin's ass we are not allowed too. Who made Lurcth the authority on what we can or cannot say. It's  like a broken record.

Quote from: Lurtch;1082677I don't understand how PEG can see all of that great Palladium art and decide not to hire Chuck Walton or Kevin Long to do the art.

Agreed. PEG should have definitely gotten PB's top artists to do Savage Rifts. I'm a huge fan of Chuck Walton's work (Kevin Long too).

Quote from: Spinachcat;1082754Agreed. PEG should have definitely gotten PB's top artists to do Savage Rifts. I'm a huge fan of Chuck Walton's work (Kevin Long too).

Well Pinnacle do have their own artists in house just like PB. So it makes sense they give the art to them first. Though I wish they they would get John Zelenik to do the covers for their books.

In my opinion, if you give palladium money you're not only an idiot, but you're actively hurting the RPG industry.

Quote from: asron819;1082776In my opinion, if you give palladium money you're not only an idiot, but you're actively hurting the RPG industry.

So, it's bad enough that we've got Lurtch as an apologist for Palladium, but this is equally as idiotic.

Quote from: kythri;1082789So, it's bad enough that we've got Lurtch as an apologist for Palladium, but this is equally as idiotic.

is it? one bad apple spoils the bunch I say... we've already heard of people's disgust with how they handled their kickstarter, that those same people wont support RPGs funded through KS because of trust issues...

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1080556It doesn't matter the record of success, don't buy promises, buy products.

This is the way it is supposed to work in capitalism. Some people prefer a handout in exchange for warm fuzzies, though.

Quote from: sureshot;1082768Well Pinnacle do have their own artists in house just like PB.

I know art is subjective, but for my dollar, PB has the best b/w artwork in any RPG since the early Warhammer books.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1082866I know art is subjective, but for my dollar, PB has the best b/w artwork in any RPG since the early Warhammer books.

I'm a fan of Chuck Walton myself yet I'm also getting tired of seeing his work in PB. As like Wayne Reynolds for Pathfinder it begins to look too much of the same thing.

In the drama-free world of offline hobby gaming, I have ZERO qualms about buying stuff from Palladium. Still one of my favourite publishers, because when I get a new book from Palladium I'm genuinely excited for the content.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1082866I know art is subjective, but for my dollar, PB has the best b/w artwork in any RPG since the early Warhammer books.

Palladium's art has always been amazing, and again, very oriented at their target demographic. The company's marketing has always actually been great; its other stuff, like their scheduling, that's been awful.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1083942Palladium's art has always been amazing, and again, very oriented at their target demographic. The company's marketing has always actually been great; its other stuff, like their scheduling, that's been awful.

Their scheduling of products being abysmal is all on them. Don't  tell me as a company they have been in the business for 30+ years. Yet some how Kevin can't  accurately predict how long it takes to produce and release a product. At this point Kevin should be predicting release dates in his sleep. As for art I like most of it though I cannot stand most of the Bradshaw art. To me his art takes one out of reading a product not immerse one in the book. Way too much recycling of art as well. Like many rpg companies with the release of Savage Rifts Paladium takes every opportunity to miss an opportunity.  

If they had not screwed up with their robotech mini kickstarter as well as trying to scam the fans a second time with their latest Insider. Theuy could have used Pihnnacle success with Rifts to release either a new edition or simply revise and clean up their current set of rules. As they like missing opportunities, continually making and not learning from past mistakes. Well PB is a shadow of its former shelf

To be fair, every one of these fundraisers for books by palladium has resulted in the product as promised to come out.  Robotech RPG Tactics.... thats interesting case. Palladium tried to do a joint venture with Ninja Division to produce the game, Ninja division wefe sappose to handle the miniatures side.  They dropped the ball so hard, and and then told palladium how to fix thier issue. Turns out that was not the right answer. Now because palladium had shallower pockets, a janky system, and a very small fanbase for a now obscure franchise  to draw from with zeroe experience in producing miniatures. They ended up fucking them selves hard, especially when they were trying to bail out that sinking ship.  To put it in perspective Ninja Division is in trouble for the same exact ahit again, as palladium was in ROBOTECH RPGTT. So with this new evidence I think we can forgive them la little of that mustake. BTW here is the Nija Division fire Idaho gaming biz Ninja Division in trouble over Kickstarter games | Idaho Statesman - https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/business/article225610455.html

Quote from: videopete;1083997To be fair, every one of these fundraisers for books by palladium has resulted in the product as promised to come out.  Robotech RPG Tactics.... thats interesting case. Palladium tried to do a joint venture with Ninja Division to produce the game, Ninja division wefe sappose to handle the miniatures side.  They dropped the ball so hard, and and then told palladium how to fix thier issue. Turns out that was not the right answer. Now because palladium had shallower pockets, a janky system, and a very small fanbase for a now obscure franchise  to draw from with zeroe experience in producing miniatures. They ended up fucking them selves hard, especially when they were trying to bail out that sinking ship.  To put it in perspective Ninja Division is in trouble for the same exact ahit again, as palladium was in ROBOTECH RPGTT. So with this new evidence I think we can forgive them la little of that mustake. BTW here is the Nija Division fire Idaho gaming biz Ninja Division in trouble over Kickstarter games | Idaho Statesman - https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/business/article225610455.html

This, I think, is a point many who follow this tend to forget about. Ninja Division totally screwed up in many things...and Palladium received a lot of the flak for ND's incompetence. Siembeda probably knew blaming someone else would make him look worse...