Yup. For all its talk about big tent and bringing back the fans and all, Next will suffer the same fate. And the FR "canon" is going to get changed again. And WotC will talk about learning from its mistakes and fixing the game with 6th ed. And so on.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;687406Well, sure. And the sun will go supernova, and we'll all eventually die.

It's not massive enough for that. It will expand to a red giant (probably eating the Earth), then collapse to a white dwarf, then sort of just fade out.

(Sorry, but that was my college major)

Quote from: JeremyR;687689It's not massive enough for that. It will expand to a red giant (probably eating the Earth), then collapse to a white dwarf, then sort of just fade out.

(Sorry, but that was my college major)

I will have an open seat for you at my Traveller game, should you ever be in my area.

I believe that if it were possible for Wotc to license the development and property of the tabletop roleplaying game rules without putting in risk their control of the value of the intellectual property of the settings it would offer such license pronto.

Or, if they could ever manage to disconnect the value and its property of the Forgotten Realms, Dragonlance and what have you from the D&D tabletop roleplaying game, they would simply stop producing the D&D tabletop roleplaying game.
There is a reason why the warhammer rpg did not go D20 via the OGL. If it did and were successful in the market , Wotc would never abandon the OGL. The problem of it was the glut that it eventually seemed to offer more trouble than value for the setting intellectual properties.

Contrary to what has been said by ex employee(s) on various internet blogs and sites I do not believe what they want is that 10  million dollar target for the tabletop rpg. They just need a solution that will not cost them money or cause trouble to the value of the settings, directly or indirectly. The OSR is no threat to them. Contrary, the OSR helps the D&D setting intellectual properties keep their importance and value. And this is the major reason why they have not legally acted against it.

Quote from: xech;687875And this is the major reason why they have not legally acted against it.

(Back in the 1990's).

TSR = "They Sue Regularly"

:rolleyes:

Quote from: ggroy;687878(Back in the 1990's).

TSR = "They Sue Regularly"

:rolleyes:

Different times. Back at TSR time the D&D game rules were considered where the value was. After the effect that MtG and the digital evolution had on the value of the tabletop game along the rising importance and size of the video game market and that of D&D novel lines after their commercial success, the setting properties became where the real value was.

Quote from: JeremyR;687689It's not massive enough for that. It will expand to a red giant (probably eating the Earth), then collapse to a white dwarf, then sort of just fade out.

(Sorry, but that was my college major)

What star mass is required for it to go supernova?

Quote from: ggroy;687924What star mass is required for it to go supernova?

about 8 to 50 times Sol's.

Quote from: Benoist;687688Yup. For all its talk about big tent and bringing back the fans and all, Next will suffer the same fate. And the FR "canon" is going to get changed again. And WotC will talk about learning from its mistakes and fixing the game with 6th ed. And so on.

So basically the best we can hope for it that it won't suck AS bad as what we've seen lately.

JG

Quote from: The Traveller;687412No, they really don't.

They do; because of the way their system is and the type of products they've chosen to make.  Sooner or later rules bloat and/or waning sales will require that they do a new edition.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;688640They do; because of the way their system is and the type of products they've chosen to make.  Sooner or later rules bloat and/or waning sales will require that they do a new edition.

RPGPundit

Or expand the setting.

Where did this idea of Paizo "expanding basic" come from?

From what I can tell, Basic was their 4e.  They tried it, didn't like the result, and have now moved on.

Did I miss something?

Quote from: mcbobbo;688648Where did this idea of Paizo "expanding basic" come from?

Wishful thinking.

QuoteFrom what I can tell, Basic was their 4e.  They tried it, didn't like the result, and have now moved on.

OTOH, I don't know where you got that idea from, either. The Pathfinder Beginner Box was designed to be an introductory product for Pathfinder. It was never meant to be a separate product line nor was it designed to be so. According to all reports it's been a success and, AFAIK, it's still in print and will continue to be in print.

Quote from: mcbobbo;688648Where did this idea of Paizo "expanding basic" come from?

From what I can tell, Basic was their 4e.  They tried it, didn't like the result, and have now moved on.

Did I miss something?

As a smart publisher, they recognized if they want Pathfinder to have legs, they needed an introductory product. Pathfinders isn't exactly newbie-friendly. They never intended to expanded the Beginner's Set into the full game - that would split their product line. However, it was very well received, and sold well. Where did you get the idea Paizo didn't like the results? Lots of people on the Paizo forums have called for it to be extended to full level range. Some have even come up with their houserules for doing so.

However, games as complex as Pathfinder inevitably decline in popularity through attrition without an easy access point. New gamers will muddle through with Pathfinder for now (with the help of expert GMs and players), but if Next gets real traction with new and casual players, Pathfinder will be stuck with hardcores only. If that happens, I could see them reluctantly extending the Beginner game to the full level scope.

Quote from: JeremyR;687689It's not massive enough for that. It will expand to a red giant (probably eating the Earth), then collapse to a white dwarf, then sort of just fade out.

(Sorry, but that was my college major)

By the time it does that, unless we nuke/zap/consume/borgise ourselves out of existence, we'll probably be Star - hopping anyway, draining stars on planet - vessels for energy.