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Paizo policing language: Phalactery is now a Soul Cage

Started by sunsteel, October 30, 2021, 12:40:01 PM

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Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on November 03, 2021, 06:36:56 PM
Wrong. They are very tribal, network with one another, and will not tolerate any criticism. While we are being told we must be "multi-cultural" and accept floods of "migrants" into white nations Israel has declared itself a Zionist nation, has walls armed with mace cannons, and dual-citizens determine our foreign policy in the Middle East. Now we are being pushed into war with Iran. 

It's a shame I have to be saying this, but after decades of being bashed- as a white straight male albeit not Christian (my beliefs are best described as Eastern)- in media and by groups run by Jews, I just cannot remain silent any longer.

Well, something useful came out of this after all. Bye.
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Phylacteries are not a Jewish term, as was already pointed out in the thread.  A phylactery is, properly speaking, a term for something that is used to contain something holy.

So a Jewish Tefillin is a type of Phylactery, as is a Christian reliquary, Muslim amulets that hold verses from the Koran, Indian relic boxes that hold the hair of a guru, Buddhist reliquaries that hold the bones of a bodhisattva, etc.

So, as usual, Paizo are morons.
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Quote from: trechriron on November 03, 2021, 08:13:58 PM
There is nothing wrong with modifying language in an attempt to be more respectful.

Disagree. Forcing people with the threat of social ostracisation and bullying over fairly innocent language has become the norm. All in the name of "being more respectful".

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Quote from: Shasarak on November 03, 2021, 09:45:32 PM
Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on November 03, 2021, 06:36:56 PM
Wrong. They are very tribal, network with one another, and will not tolerate any criticism.

You have never met a Jewish person, right?   ???

There are plenty of other religions that wont tolerate criticism.

Greetings!

*Sigh* Why does Griswald absolutely insist on sucking on a flamethrower? ;D

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Quote from: trechriron on November 03, 2021, 08:13:58 PM
There is nothing wrong with modifying language in an attempt to be more respectful. No one TOLD Paizo to do this.
Not to gang up on you or take this out of context, but there's something to be said about sticking with original terms for things. It preserves an idea's origin and keeps us connected to our history and ancestors. There are countless examples. "Wizard" is said to come from the word "wise." "Magic User" is more utilitarian and encompassing, but it lacks character and is just plain uninteresting IMO. "Mage" carries more interesting connotations, as it goes back to Greek or Persian origin, I think.

"Soul Cage" is utilitarian and dull. "Phalactery" just sounds cool, and I'm sure many people have looked it up and learned something about history, which is a fucking great thing for a game to achieve.

As someone with Polish blood, if a game stole the idea of leaving a chair empty for a religious holiday, I would think "fuck yeah, so cool!" If I were a Greek or Jewish gamer, I would think it pretty fucking awesome that a Phalactery is a thing in game. The people who want to cleanse historic gaming language are not regular gamers and probably not gamers at all.
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Quote from: trechriron on November 03, 2021, 08:13:58 PM
There is nothing wrong with modifying language in an attempt to be more respectful.

Clever wording, but not clever enough to be correct.

There's nothing wrong with modifying your own language in an attempt to be more respectful.

Demanding that others do the same at their gaming tables, or proselytizing about it's the "moral" thing to do for the benefit of others is as ugly as it gets.

Of course, letting others dictate to you what "respectful" language is a recipe for ethical suicide.

And none of these practical points address the fact that there's no such thing as "respectful" language other than what is dictated by the social justice crowd. There is nothing intrinsically mean about one word or another; our only guide to what's "respectful" is what the mob declares so, for the sake of control. If there were actually "respectful" language objectively, it wouldn't change every few years. That's manipulation, not respect.
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Quote from: Zalman on November 04, 2021, 11:38:17 AM
And none of these practical points address the fact that there's no such thing as "respectful" language other than what is dictated by the social justice crowd.

So - would you say that you are an old gamer, a geriatirc gamer or a senile gamer?  I thinking that choosing polite synonyms is a much older idea than social justice.

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Quote from: Zalman on November 04, 2021, 11:38:17 AM
Quote from: trechriron on November 03, 2021, 08:13:58 PM
There is nothing wrong with modifying language in an attempt to be more respectful.

Clever wording, but not clever enough to be correct.

There's nothing wrong with modifying your own language in an attempt to be more respectful.

Demanding that others do the same at their gaming tables, or proselytizing about it's the "moral" thing to do for the benefit of others is as ugly as it gets.

Of course, letting others dictate to you what "respectful" language is a recipe for ethical suicide.

And none of these practical points address the fact that there's no such thing as "respectful" language other than what is dictated by the social justice crowd. There is nothing intrinsically mean about one word or another; our only guide to what's "respectful" is what the mob declares so, for the sake of control. If there were actually "respectful" language objectively, it wouldn't change every few years. That's manipulation, not respect.

"Political correctness is fascism pretending to be good manners."
George Carlin
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Quote from: Anselyn on November 04, 2021, 12:42:47 PM
Quote from: Zalman on November 04, 2021, 11:38:17 AM
And none of these practical points address the fact that there's no such thing as "respectful" language other than what is dictated by the social justice crowd.

So - would you say that you are an old gamer, a geriatirc gamer or a senile gamer?  I thinking that choosing polite synonyms is a much older idea than social justice.

Bolding mine.

Old, definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/old

Geriatric, definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/geriatric

Senile, definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/senile

"polite synonyms"...
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Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Anselyn

Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 04, 2021, 12:49:08 PM
Quote from: Anselyn on November 04, 2021, 12:42:47 PM
Quote from: Zalman on November 04, 2021, 11:38:17 AM
And none of these practical points address the fact that there's no such thing as "respectful" language other than what is dictated by the social justice crowd.

So - would you say that you are an old gamer, a geriatirc gamer or a senile gamer?  I thinking that choosing polite synonyms is a much older idea than social justice.

Bolding mine.

Old, definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/old

Geriatric, definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/geriatric

Senile, definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/senile

"polite synonyms"...

You seem to be hard of comprehension? Pushing it slightly (I know) - Old/geriatric/senile are synonyms.  I think each of those entries gives one option for the meaning to be "old" - if not now but historically - although other layers of meaning are interpreted with the other uses.  It's clear what is polite. 

Not your point GB but above
Quote from: rytrasmi on November 04, 2021, 11:20:00 AM
Not to gang up on you or take this out of context, but there's something to be said about sticking with original terms for things. It preserves an idea's origin and keeps us connected to our history and ancestors.

and - for example:
1797   T. Jefferson Writings (1859) IV. 192   To exchange the roar and tumult of bulls and bears, for the prattle of my grand-children and senile rest.

PS. At least use an English dictionary: https://www.oed.com/ if you want to speak proper like. :o

Given my example may be poor, are there really no examples of modern synonyms for old terms that you can think of - and use in order to be polite?  Speaking as a senescent gamer - cripple, spastic and mongoloid are words that for some reason have fallen out of use to describe people. How did that happen - some 30 years ago?   

GeekyBugle

Quote from: Anselyn on November 04, 2021, 01:41:29 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 04, 2021, 12:49:08 PM
Quote from: Anselyn on November 04, 2021, 12:42:47 PM
Quote from: Zalman on November 04, 2021, 11:38:17 AM
And none of these practical points address the fact that there's no such thing as "respectful" language other than what is dictated by the social justice crowd.

So - would you say that you are an old gamer, a geriatirc gamer or a senile gamer?  I thinking that choosing polite synonyms is a much older idea than social justice.

Bolding mine.

Old, definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/old

Geriatric, definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/geriatric

Senile, definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/senile

"polite synonyms"...

You seem to be hard of comprehension? Pushing it slightly (I know) - Old/geriatric/senile are synonyms.  I think each of those entries gives one option for the meaning to be "old" - if not now but historically - although other layers of meaning are interpreted with the other uses.  It's clear what is polite. 

Not your point GB but above
Quote from: rytrasmi on November 04, 2021, 11:20:00 AM
Not to gang up on you or take this out of context, but there's something to be said about sticking with original terms for things. It preserves an idea's origin and keeps us connected to our history and ancestors.

and - for example:
1797   T. Jefferson Writings (1859) IV. 192   To exchange the roar and tumult of bulls and bears, for the prattle of my grand-children and senile rest.

PS. At least use an English dictionary: https://www.oed.com/ if you want to speak proper like. :o

Given my example may be poor, are there really no examples of modern synonyms for old terms that you can think of - and use in order to be polite?  Speaking as a senescent gamer - cripple, spastic and mongoloid are words that for some reason have fallen out of use to describe people. How did that happen - some 30 years ago?

Bolding mine... So they are not really synonyms, much less "polite synonyms". And yet you dare say I am hard of comprehension...

"PS. At least use an English dictionary:" Yeah, because the merriam webster is a famous spanish dictionary (are you this dumb or just playing one?)

"cripple, spastic and mongoloid are words that for some reason have fallen out of use to describe people. How did that happen - some 30 years ago?"

Because we gave in to the same type of imbecile that would latter push to change the new words because the "old" ones were offensive and o on and infinitum.

To the point where now People of Color is somehow "polite" and totally not the same as "Colored People". The latter was also an euphemism for a now gamer word that is considered impolite and will brand you an istophobe if you dare use it.

Let me put it this way so your addled brain might understand: You speak in whatever way YOU feel is okay to do so, I will not try to change the way you speak (might mock you tho), and I'll do the same, and when you or any other of the new moral majority comes trying to imposse their morals on me I tell all to go fuck themselves.

DEAL?

If that was still too hard to understand: Fuck you I won't do what you tell me to.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

rytrasmi

Quote from: Anselyn on November 04, 2021, 01:41:29 PM
Given my example may be poor, are there really no examples of modern synonyms for old terms that you can think of - and use in order to be polite?  Speaking as a senescent gamer - cripple, spastic and mongoloid are words that for some reason have fallen out of use to describe people. How did that happen - some 30 years ago?
Any word can be used in a derogatory sense. E.g., the word "basic" is presently used as an insult. Challenge: Think of a more bland word to replace "basic" to avoid offending people who have been called called basic.

"Idiot," "moron," "retard," etc. have followed a similar path to your examples. Once widely used and then dropped by professionals due to technical reasons and/or because the public at large started using them as pejoratives. Contrast with the word "witch" which is used by a significant amount of women in a positive sense. And, honestly, good for them. Also, consider the word "Jew." Many non-Jews are hesitant to use word because it has been used as a pejorative by antisemites, so they be "safe" and go with "Jewish" instead. But Jews themselves tend to prefer the word Jew (as far as I can tell), and I think it's right and honorable to stop the assholes from taking your word.

In any case, old, geriatric, and senile are not synonyms.
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The ones that crawl in are lean and thin
The ones that crawl out are fat and stout
Your eyes fall in and your teeth fall out
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Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 04, 2021, 12:44:02 PM
"Political correctness is fascism pretending to be good manners."
George Carlin

Just so. If I were old, geriatric, and senile, it wouldn't matter to me which word you used. I agree with others that they're not synonyms, but someone who is "geriatric" is also "old" and neither is more or less polite. Any of these words may be more or less correct of course.

Quote from: rytrasmi on November 04, 2021, 02:20:27 PM
"Idiot," "moron," "retard," etc. have followed a similar path to your examples. Once widely used and then dropped by professionals due to technical reasons and/or because the public at large started using them as pejoratives.

Exactly, and these days it doesn't even require "the public at large" to use them as pejoratives -- it only takes a few loud Twitterers to declare those words to be pejorative.

It has, and will continue, to happen to every single word ever used for anyone. Because it's a form of control, and that desire for control isn't going away no matter how much we strive to "perfect" our language.
Old School? Back in my day we just called it "School."

rytrasmi

Quote from: Zalman on November 04, 2021, 02:36:35 PM
Exactly, and these days it doesn't even require "the public at large" to use them as pejoratives -- it only takes a few loud Twitterers to declare those words to be pejorative.

It has, and will continue, to happen to every single word ever used for anyone. Because it's a form of control, and that desire for control isn't going away no matter how much we strive to "perfect" our language.
Indeed. Look at the recent faux offense and hand-wringing for "guys."

The perpetually offended or their comrades or masters are inventing new words, like folx and zher, which are eventually going to be--quite rightly in this case--re-tooled by the public as insults. And then what are they going to do? Invent more words? Because that's worked so well in the past /s.
The worms crawl in and the worms crawl out
The ones that crawl in are lean and thin
The ones that crawl out are fat and stout
Your eyes fall in and your teeth fall out
Your brains come tumbling down your snout
Be merry my friends
Be merry