Quote from: Wulfhelm on January 05, 2022, 01:07:49 PM

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on December 29, 2021, 11:37:13 AMBaizuo is re-writing their entire game world based on one anonymous letter.  Who even knows if the person who wrote the letter is a actually a player, or even if they are offended.

I just (after sifting to the general information available on this new mental trainwreck) had a thought: Could it be that this is some kind of Astroturfing? That Paizo manufactured this opportunity for a display of righteousness by creating a "voice from the community" that they could "responsibly react" to? I don't know, just a thought. 

Considering how many other companies do this. Its very possible.

The other option is that they are copying WOTC and baiting for outrage marketing. Tell people one thing to get them to scream. Rake in free advertising. Then the actual product is just another Candlekeep.

Quote from: Wrath of God on January 05, 2022, 09:36:07 PM

QuoteJust as WOTC has Volo's Guide to Monsters; Paizo has the Monster Codex, for Pathfinder 1E.  It has a good long full page of lore expansion for each monstrous race, at the beginning of each race section.  They even used small type, to fit more lore content on the page.  They have a good write up about each "race" of monstrous humanoids.  Then they stat out several examples of each "race".  I have a hard copy, but I don't have access to it right now.  Of course, Orcs and Drow are included.  I bet there are some juicy nuggets there to be found.

PAIZO quite cleverly made drows to be result of curse so elf can drow-himself if he is evil enough, and good drow will de-drow. That with more hellish and less-black purple skin, and their curse being result of demon worship, allows basically to play drows as morally responsible for being drows not elves.
Their orcs on the other hand... XD

Baizuo has been so weird about this I wonder if they have some kind of institutional schizophrenia.

The phenomenon of an elf 'falling' and becoming a drow is a thing in PF, but it's usually (a) plot device, and (b) it is not ICly well known at all. It's a HUGE thing in the Second Darkness path because the PCs witness it and it can cause a bit of consternation among those elf rulers who DO know about it.

And that's okay. It's like a call back to how the drow in Dragonlance work.

This same campaign also hangs a big ol' lampshade on Drizzt and straight up says, 'drow who don't conform to the usual modes of evil are thought to have some kind of mental issue -- sometimes their society tries an intervention or even therapy, but if that doesn't work the poor fucker gets to be guest of honor at the next sacrificial rite to the patron demon'.

(Part of me wonders how therapy to make you properly evil would work. I am a bit amused.)

I can't help but think that Baizuo was trying to grab a little attention away from WotC with the slavery announcement.

I think it was a second attempt at smoke and mirrors to deflect the attention of one of their own Doxxing a poster if you count using a poster real first name as doxxing. With the allegations that they were Transphobic because one employee refused to sleep in the same room as a Transperson.

They tried virtue signalling celebrating every and any ethnic flavour of the month and the perpetual victim trans fans were having none of it. Then they tried appealing to their self-righteous outrage with slavery and it worked. Being of a continual mindset of being a victim they either did not realizes they were conned and well pasted by Paizo or don't care. Remember many of them think it's good and right to treat others poorly because they were in the part for whatever carefully constructed personal narrative. Yeah the hypocrisy and irony is outstanding.

So I will give credit to Paizo for pulling it off as it is working so far.

QuoteWith the allegations that they were Transphobic because one employee refused to sleep in the same room as a Transperson.

Other way round. Girl employee and transgirl employee wanted to share a room during business trip, and company said no.

It is also worth noting that the hotel room situation occurred before Washington state law and by extension, their liability insurance considered that individual to be anything other than a biological male.

The company made the right business decision to reduce the potential risk of lawsuits regardless of if the two friends wanted to stay together but the fucking rabid wokescold brain-damaged activist stanbase that rallies behind the WORST fucking influencers and hypocrites imaginable couldn't wrap their mind around the fact that the company had no other choice but to say no, especially since one of the two were the others superior in the chain of command.

Don't worry though, Book of the Dead is going to drop as it was written before the whole JP scandal and slavery avoi-dance started and since it is centrally themed around the evilest and corrupt nations and individuals/actions in the setting it's bound to trigger plenty of folks yet again in order to inflate the egos and ratio-hunger of the same crowd that wants to control the company.

In this case don't feel sorry one bit for Paizo as they allowed and still allow them to be biullied by the immature mentally deranged SJWs.

They came off and still  come off as abject spineless pathetic cowards simply because they fear being seen as not Woke.

When they had the AP where players took the role as police they came off as a low level mob flunky apologizing to the Mob boss simply for including them. Again coming off as scared cowards.

When they were accused of transphobia and doxxing they let the same mentally deranged Wokescolds just run rampant for months in their forum. Again because for fear of not being Woke and cowards

A close friend in my gaming circle tried to explain it as them living in Seattle yet even then do because they live in one of the Woke Capitals in the world they have no self-respect as individuals or as a company.

So fuck them they reap what they sow. 

Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 28, 2021, 03:29:26 PM

Quote from: thedungeondelver on December 28, 2021, 02:49:22 PM
"Owning slaves or profiting from the slave trade
Reprehensible uses of mind-control magic
Villains might engage in such acts, but they won't happen "on-screen" or won't be described in detail. Many groups choose to not have villains engage in these activities at all, keeping these reprehensible acts out of mind entirely."

Somebody better never tell these frail, shirking daisies that the "A" series exists or else they'll all die of The Vapors.  Quick, get the fainting couches!

In case you're curious, in A2, there's a whole dungeon area where we meet up with Markessa, an elven magic-user who is fucked up six ways from Sunday.  She force-breeds different races together and accidentally created the Boggle from her experiments, she has labs full of surgery disasters and cast-offs, she has repeatedly (via magic) erased and rewritten the mind of a female slave who is not an elf but she has surgically altered (not Polymorph...no, she cut the woman up) to look like an elf, specifically her, to work as a body double - and she (Markessa) isn't even Drow.  She's just that fucked up.

She is a villainess and killing her should be a crowning achievement for the party, as well as liberating and healing those she's hurt.  But I guess in Paizo's universe that is nicht gerwehr and not permitted.

Anyway, pinkos, eat your own.  I'll be pointing and laughing.

Holy shit. I gotta find that module.

The whole "A" series is good (Against the Slave Lords).

Quote from: Abraxus on January 07, 2022, 09:18:13 AM
In this case don't feel sorry one bit for Paizo as they allowed and still allow them to be biullied by the immature mentally deranged SJWs.

They came off and still  come off as abject spineless pathetic cowards simply because they fear being seen as not Woke.

When they had the AP where players took the role as police they came off as a low level mob flunky apologizing to the Mob boss simply for including them. Again coming off as scared cowards.

When they were accused of transphobia and doxxing they let the same mentally deranged Wokescolds just run rampant for months in their forum. Again because for fear of not being Woke and cowards

A close friend in my gaming circle tried to explain it as them living in Seattle yet even then do because they live in one of the Woke Capitals in the world they have no self-respect as individuals or as a company.

So fuck them they reap what they sow.

They remind me of John Cena apologizing to China about his recognizing Taiwan.

Quote from: HappyDaze on January 07, 2022, 10:18:27 AM

Quote from: Abraxus on January 07, 2022, 09:18:13 AM
In this case don't feel sorry one bit for Paizo as they allowed and still allow them to be biullied by the immature mentally deranged SJWs.

They came off and still  come off as abject spineless pathetic cowards simply because they fear being seen as not Woke.

When they had the AP where players took the role as police they came off as a low level mob flunky apologizing to the Mob boss simply for including them. Again coming off as scared cowards.

When they were accused of transphobia and doxxing they let the same mentally deranged Wokescolds just run rampant for months in their forum. Again because for fear of not being Woke and cowards

A close friend in my gaming circle tried to explain it as them living in Seattle yet even then do because they live in one of the Woke Capitals in the world they have no self-respect as individuals or as a company.

So fuck them they reap what they sow.

They remind me of John Cena apologizing to China about his recognizing Taiwan.

I heard he changed his name to John Xi-na

Quote from: Wrath of God on January 06, 2022, 02:58:00 PM

QuoteWith the allegations that they were Transphobic because one employee refused to sleep in the same room as a Transperson.

Other way round. Girl employee and transgirl employee wanted to share a room during business trip, and company said no.

I know some companies have rules like that for safety/legal reasons. "No male and female sharing a room." and a trans would fall under that from one or the other angle. Assuming Paizo really said such a thing it is not surprising they would adapt that rule as well. Odds are WOTC does as well because that was the leverage the women used way back to take over the company.

So Paizo might have actually been doing exactly what feminists and SJWs have been demanding. Making the workplace "safe" for women. But of course that is good only till a woman doesnt want to. Then its bad.

But who knows what Paizo was up to. Sane decisions are not something they are renowned for anymore.

Well yes, that was probably it, and if given trans-employee was not formally re-assigned in documents then by law (and common sense) she was a dude.

Quote from: Wrath of God on January 08, 2022, 05:12:02 AM
Well yes, that was probably it, and if given trans-employee was not formally re-assigned in documents then by law (and common sense) she was a dude.

How dare they not protect that woman and even ignored the local law while doing so!

How dare those transphobes act bigoted against that wonderful and flawless transwoman!

Damned if they do, damned if they don't...and utterly deserving of it.

I love when they eat their own.

Quote from: Wrath of God on January 08, 2022, 05:12:02 AM
Well yes, that was probably it, and if given trans-employee was not formally re-assigned in documents then by law (and common sense) she was a dude.

This is quite literally exactly what happened. The individual was not legally, in their birth state, on their birth cert, on their Washington state ID, nor in on the Paizo payroll as anything other than a male. They identified as trans-female but there wasn't actually any functional legal path yet laid out where they could formally have their gender identity changed at that point as the laws in that state as well as where they were born had not been updated/changed to the point where the reassignment could exist in legal terms.

If this person would have been sentenced to prison (not saying they ever broke any laws that would ever warrant that nor deserve to be imprisoned at all btw) they would have been thrown in with all other biological men for at two full years after this incident took place as they weren't legally female in the eyes of the law, biologically, nor had this person been able to afford or otherwise get approved for gender reassignment surgery.

Paizo made the right move but because the story broke AFTER the law changed the brainless tweetlord cultural and legal presentist activist Jessica Price stan-base didn't give a flying fuck about the reality of things. Oh, and it's also worth mentioning that this individual was ALSO fired around the same time as JP for being a toxic and unproductive piece of shit as well, go figure.

QuoteThis is quite literally exactly what happened. The individual was not legally, in their birth state, on their birth cert, on their Washington state ID, nor in on the Paizo payroll as anything other than a male. They identified as trans-female but there wasn't actually any functional legal path yet laid out where they could formally have their gender identity changed at that point as the laws in that state as well as where they were born had not been updated/changed to the point where the reassignment could exist in legal terms.

I mean it's hard for me to believe that liberal cesspit that is State of Washington had not proper reassignment legal procedure existing at least since 80's? That's sound insane considering whole correction thing was legal in even conservative European countries for decades.

QuotePaizo made the right move but because the story broke AFTER the law changed the brainless tweetlord cultural and legal presentist activist Jessica Price stan-base didn't give a flying fuck about the reality of things. Oh, and it's also worth mentioning that this individual was ALSO fired around the same time as JP for being a toxic and unproductive piece of shit as well, go figure.

I mean I thought it was case with this whole Crystal something dude-ette? AFAIK he left on her own... and there was lot of books they authored. I mean of course woke as hell, but as someone regularly skimming through PF adventures for ideas to appropriate for my un-woke campaings, xer name was one of few I recognised as regular.

Quote from: Wrath of God on January 08, 2022, 05:53:25 PM


I mean I thought it was case with this whole Crystal something dude-ette? AFAIK he left on her own... and there was lot of books they authored. I mean of course woke as hell, but as someone regularly skimming through PF adventures for ideas to appropriate for my un-woke campaings, xer name was one of few I recognised as regular.

I love how you mixed up all the pronouns up here: he, her, they, xer

I can't stop laughing.