How are the other RPG folks, receiving what WOTC is selling to them? All of it. Everything. The whole damn bag of WOTC holding.
Quote from: Jam The MF on June 01, 2023, 12:32:49 AM
How are the other RPG folks, receiving what WOTC is selling to them? All of it. Everything. The whole damn bag of WOTC holding.
None of the gamers I talk with (I am running two games, one with 8 players, one with 6) none have said a word.
Take that with a grain of salt.
The group who plays 5e has said they'll continue to use their existing books to run campaigns, but have no plans to update, nor do they have any desire to switch to online play.
Negatively, mostly.
The people I talk to are turned off by WotC business tactics and will stick to what they got. Or switch to another game.
Good jumping off point, like pathfinder 2e was for Paizo.
Very poorly. We're talking 'I'm not giving WotC another red cent' levels of contempt. And it's across the sociopolitical spectrum, regardless of leanings. Kind of fascinating, really.
I'm sure people will still play 5E, because they have the books if nothing else. Hell, it's not a terrible system. Annoying at times, but not terrible. But WotC and Hasbro have so comprehensively shit the bed it makes me wonder how long inertia will carry them.
I don't interact with others in gaming outside my normal groups much. The last six months, it's been all but non-existent. The exception was a few weeks ago when gaming came up in conversation with several others with whom I have never played anything. I'm not even sure which games they do play. However, when I casually mentioned I was doing my own thing, and had changed it recently because of "WotC shenanigans", I got pointed, interested, and informed questions and comments from 4 different people. All demonstrated understanding of why I might want to go that route. Several others were listening in attentively.
Make of that anecdote what you will. Small pool, but it's the only other contact I've had, and it was not in any way positive towards WotC, OneD&D, or even 5E any longer.
The 5.5 reddit is pretty sure it needs to have this and that thing copied from 4th edition, or some guy's pet houserule about favored casting stats or whatever. None of them seem to be really hyped for what has been released, but they all want their pet thing shoved in there so that everyone else has to smell their favorite anime-inspired attack in their TTRPG forever, or... something.
Quote from: Chris24601 on June 01, 2023, 09:12:32 AM
The group who plays 5e has said they'll continue to use their existing books to run campaigns, but have no plans to update, nor do they have any desire to switch to online play.
I understand, that mindset. Use what you already own. Do whatever you want to, with it. Piss on WOTC, beyond that.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 01, 2023, 03:41:27 PM
Very poorly. We're talking 'I'm not giving WotC another red cent' levels of contempt. And it's across the sociopolitical spectrum, regardless of leanings. Kind of fascinating, really.
I'm sure people will still play 5E, because they have the books if nothing else. Hell, it's not a terrible system. Annoying at times, but not terrible. But WotC and Hasbro have so comprehensively shit the bed it makes me wonder how long inertia will carry them.
Oh, how nice it would be; to watch them slide into the Underdark..... Slide, I say!!!
They are increasing player power, while not seeming yet to discuss monster power. It appears they are taking super hero players and turning them into immortal players. There is some minor feat clean up, but otherwise its not looking good from a balance perspective. I'm the one bringing it up, only the warlock liked what he saw, and locks are pretty fucking weak. You aren't going to take a short rest in a small dungeon to get your spell slots back. They turned Locks into half casters and long rest for spells, you know so they function like how people expect them to function.
I'm just waiting for the following:
-they are removing alignment completely from the game
-the gods are no longer a requirement for a cleric
-vows are gone and paladins never needed a god in the first place
-a section in the PHB and DMG about checking your white privilege, how to be welcoming at the table, and why you should pay special attention to your special black players (they are stupid, help them with the dice and make them feel welcome /leftard racist)
-slavery is removed from the game, it never exists
-a new stronger worded statement about how all older versions of D&D is racist and how some elements of 5E is racist and we'll do even better
-a new spell casting system tied to your level based on mana points like Diablo but "funner!"
-triger warnings, trigger warnings everywhere, you get a trigger warning, she gets a trigger warning, look under your seats you get a trigger warning /Oprah
I bet at 3 of the crap above will be in 6E, as trolly as they look, its coming, just wait.
"Hey people who have extreme anti-WOTC bias these days, what's the reaction to this new WOTC thing that you're seeing" is going to get you a very predictable response.
Mind you, when asked about 5e on an anti-WOTC board back in 2013 (not this one), people there claimed the game would be vaporware. Literally they claimed it would never be released. Confidently and repeatedly.
If you want to know what the general reaction is to the playtest, this is NOT the place to ask.
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on June 01, 2023, 07:30:18 PM
They are increasing player power, while not seeming yet to discuss monster power.
They have not gotten to the monsters yet. They said that. They are absolutely getting to monsters.
Greetings!
Well, the vast majrity of my friends believe that WOTC should burn in napalm, and that the new ONE D&D is worthless and should die a horrible death as well. A few of my "Normie" gamer friends, as I have discussed in other threads, while not always very up on the politics of WOTC, even they, too, have heard that WOTC did the OGL BS, and has gone WOKE. So, even my "Normie" ganer friends believe that ONE D&D should also burn.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
6e is so far as I have seen getting mostly negative views. With the occasional shill and troll routine claiming "Its not a new edition! Its backwards compatible" which any idiot at a glance can see it is a new edition and is anything but backwards compatible.
This is in no way an A to 2e transition where the changes were relatively small system-wise. A 2e fighter mapped mostly to an AD&D one with a few additions like proficiencies and the shift in the to hit system and so on.
I suspect the resistance will grow as the changes pile up.
From what I've seen in my local D&D group, no one is talking about D&D One. WoTC has just made mistake after mistake with their PR that has completely overshadowed the actual pen and paper RPG(assuming they're even doing pen and paper anymore, who knows). And now Kobold Press' new 5E and Critical Role announcing RPGs has stole all their attention.
WoTC sort of did two things in a few months: Got everyone to stop talking about their product and got everyone talking about competitor replacement products.
I can't speak for the broader populace. But the 5e group I game with doesn't really like WOTC anymore after everything they've pulled. They didn't all 100% agree with me that Radiant Citadel was racist trash and that the hiring there was (probably illegal) bigotry... but I'm pretty darn sure we are no longer upgrading to the newest content and editions. Of that I am glad. 8)
Still using my old books from the early 80's and have no desire to give the fools at WotC a dime of my money. Only people i know talking about OneD&D
are a few of my friends' high school age kids. Most of them having been introduced to the hobby by Stranger Things, I've printed out some old materials
for them to try and get them away from the monetization and subscription service model that the tabletop hobby seems wedded to these past decades.
Probably futile, but i did what i could. At least they enjoyed the old artwork and the proper stats for the Demogorgon.
Quote from: Sanson on June 02, 2023, 09:59:24 AM
Still using my old books from the early 80's and have no desire to give the fools at WotC a dime of my money. Only people i know talking about OneD&D
are a few of my friends' high school age kids. Most of them having been introduced to the hobby by Stranger Things, I've printed out some old materials
for them to try and get them away from the monetization and subscription service model that the tabletop hobby seems wedded to these past decades.
Probably futile, but i did what i could. At least they enjoyed the old artwork and the proper stats for the Demogorgon.
Try Fantasy Grounds for online, its a one time fee. Their tutorials are hot steaming garbage because they went with the firehouse approach on their youtube. You've got to see it to believe it. And their GUI is not intuitive to learn. That being said after you learn what targeting is for instance, its a lot easier to use.
I take older edition content, update it and run of that. I make it a point to cut out everything from 5E post Mearls. The content since he left is mostly partisan and they didn't understand game mechanics (hihi silvery barbs as an example).
As far as I am concerned regarding OneD&D....
Nope not buying it. Currently running 5e (not enjoying it but I am going to finish the campaign) and I am running Old School Essentials as well.
Once my 5e game is done I think for fantasy rpgs I am going to switch full time over to OSR games (Like OSE or I have D&D BECMI) going forward and not giving WOTC another dime.
It is bad.
At least this is my impression over Reddit.
They burned all goodwill with the OGL fiasco, then pinkertons.
The new rules are hit and miss; the game is getting more complex, and I don't think it is fully 5e compatible.
Personally, I stopped playing (and publishing for) 5e altogether.
But I'm sure there are enough people out there that have no clue about that and will buy things because they say "D&D" on the cover.
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on June 02, 2023, 12:04:17 PM
Try Fantasy Grounds for online, its a one time fee. Their tutorials are hot steaming garbage because they went with the firehouse approach on their youtube. You've got to see it to believe it. And their GUI is not intuitive to learn. That being said after you learn what targeting is for instance, its a lot easier to use.
I take older edition content, update it and run of that. I make it a point to cut out everything from 5E post Mearls. The content since he left is mostly partisan and they didn't understand game mechanics (hihi silvery barbs as an example).
Thanks for the heads up. Never really tried online gaming, still have people over for games around the table, but i know plenty of people doing their
gaming online, and one of these days i should at least TRY Fantasy Grounds. Though i've got tabletop simulator and have sadly put almost no time into
it. No-one here is ever going to play an old SPI game with me, and there's always a time to cut cards with the devil.
I'm only passing familiar with 5e, never played it, though the younger half of my AD&D campaign players certainly have, and i've seen the core books at
least. Since they shoved Mearls out the door i've no interest in seeing the latest books. Tasha is still Iggwilv as far as i'm concerned. Heh.
Quote from: Sanson on June 02, 2023, 06:22:45 PM
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on June 02, 2023, 12:04:17 PM
Try Fantasy Grounds for online, its a one time fee. Their tutorials are hot steaming garbage because they went with the firehouse approach on their youtube. You've got to see it to believe it. And their GUI is not intuitive to learn. That being said after you learn what targeting is for instance, its a lot easier to use.
I take older edition content, update it and run of that. I make it a point to cut out everything from 5E post Mearls. The content since he left is mostly partisan and they didn't understand game mechanics (hihi silvery barbs as an example).
Thanks for the heads up. Never really tried online gaming, still have people over for games around the table, but i know plenty of people doing their
gaming online, and one of these days i should at least TRY Fantasy Grounds. Though i've got tabletop simulator and have sadly put almost no time into
it. No-one here is ever going to play an old SPI game with me, and there's always a time to cut cards with the devil.
I'm only passing familiar with 5e, never played it, though the younger half of my AD&D campaign players certainly have, and i've seen the core books at
least. Since they shoved Mearls out the door i've no interest in seeing the latest books. Tasha is still Iggwilv as far as i'm concerned. Heh.
If you want some pointers on Fantasy Grounds let me know. My suggestion, go to the Looking For Game forums (there are a few), find a game you wanted to play like Dungeon Crawl Classics, Traveller or Star Finder. Then join, tell the GM you are brand new to Fantasy Grounds and might need some help. The interface for FG is pretty similar from game to game.
Why Fantasy Grounds? Set cost, broad amount of games supported, full 3rd party support, can even play D&D 1E if you want. No leftard racists present from the game staff unlike Roll 20 which is run by a leftard self hating white.
Alternatives, Foundry VTT (latest darling) or Owlbear Rodeo. I'm sticking with Fantasy Grounds due to cost, its best for me even though for now Owlbear Rodeo is free not seeing 3rd party support on it.
Or you could just use Tabletop Simulator. I love it.
Quote from: Psyckosama on June 04, 2023, 06:23:51 AM
Or you could just use Tabletop Simulator. I love it.
I have that but it feels clunky. I've been using Maptools. Any particular recommendations for using TTS, like modpacks, or guides?
Quote from: Eric Diaz on June 02, 2023, 01:49:20 PM
It is bad.
At least this is my impression over Reddit.
They burned all goodwill with the OGL fiasco, then pinkertons.
The new rules are hit and miss; the game is getting more complex, and I don't think it is fully 5e compatible.
Personally, I stopped playing (and publishing for) 5e altogether.
But I'm sure there are enough people out there that have no clue about that and will buy things because they say "D&D" on the cover.
Pinkertons..... I can't believe they sent security guards after someone. What a joke. I would have laughed, at that silly mess. All they can do; is look, listen, read, ask questions, and fill out a report. You know, like any other person on earth.
One of my players runs a 5e game online, so I asked him.
Neither he nor anyone at his table knew what One D&D was, or 6e, or that there was a new edition of D&D on the horizon.
Anecdotal, but perhaps telling.
Quote from: Zalman on June 05, 2023, 03:32:12 PM
One of my players runs a 5e game online, so I asked him.
Neither he nor anyone at his table knew what One D&D was, or 6e, or that there was a new edition of D&D on the horizon.
Anecdotal, but perhaps telling.
When I ran my 5e game on Friday night I asked and no one seemed to know either. Like you Anecdotal, but telling.
Quote from: Dracones on June 02, 2023, 12:42:04 AM
From what I've seen in my local D&D group, no one is talking about D&D One. WoTC has just made mistake after mistake with their PR that has completely overshadowed the actual pen and paper RPG(assuming they're even doing pen and paper anymore, who knows). And now Kobold Press' new 5E and Critical Role announcing RPGs has stole all their attention.
WoTC sort of did two things in a few months: Got everyone to stop talking about their product and got everyone talking about competitor replacement products.
Ditto. I haven't played D&D for years but the other group I know of (the group my brother in law frequents because they used to play D&D and
I don't) abandoned D&D for Lancer a couple months ago.
The marketing for 6th edition hasn't really kicked in, we'll see once that time comes. (I don't care what they call it, its 6th edition).
My teen kid who plays with her friends use DNDBeyond, so no doubt they'll continue to use it.
I have no confidence in the current yahoos running WotC that they have any clue how to design an RPG, and I'm one of those who thinks 5e is (mostly) excellent. They'll never top it unless they fire the whole lot and bring in real designers whose primary goal is to design a great game, not to please some radical political agenda.
Took a look over at ENWorld. The first couple pages of newest threads don't seem to be related to the new edition. I would think that if any place had some hype, it'd be there.
Quote from: Almost_Useless on June 05, 2023, 09:47:32 PM
Took a look over at ENWorld. The first couple pages of newest threads don't seem to be related to the new edition. I would think that if any place had some hype, it'd be there.
I checked just now - "Jeremy Crawford gives update on new Unearthed Arcana" was the only 6e related thread on the first page of threads, yup.
Quote from: Jam The MF on June 04, 2023, 02:01:16 PM
Quote from: Eric Diaz on June 02, 2023, 01:49:20 PM
It is bad.
At least this is my impression over Reddit.
They burned all goodwill with the OGL fiasco, then pinkertons.
The new rules are hit and miss; the game is getting more complex, and I don't think it is fully 5e compatible.
Personally, I stopped playing (and publishing for) 5e altogether.
But I'm sure there are enough people out there that have no clue about that and will buy things because they say "D&D" on the cover.
Pinkertons..... I can't believe they sent security guards after someone. What a joke. I would have laughed, at that silly mess. All they can do; is look, listen, read, ask questions, and fill out a report. You know, like any other person on earth.
Except they did not just do that. They walked off with the persons MTG stuff, think only the product in question. But they still confiscated material on the spot.
I think that the real backlash will come if they cut off 5e on Beyond to try and force everyone to fork out all over again. They did that when Multiverse came out so there is no reason to think they will not do it again.
Quote from: Omega on June 06, 2023, 03:04:34 AM
Quote from: Jam The MF on June 04, 2023, 02:01:16 PM
Quote from: Eric Diaz on June 02, 2023, 01:49:20 PM
It is bad.
At least this is my impression over Reddit.
They burned all goodwill with the OGL fiasco, then pinkertons.
The new rules are hit and miss; the game is getting more complex, and I don't think it is fully 5e compatible.
Personally, I stopped playing (and publishing for) 5e altogether.
But I'm sure there are enough people out there that have no clue about that and will buy things because they say "D&D" on the cover.
Pinkertons..... I can't believe they sent security guards after someone. What a joke. I would have laughed, at that silly mess. All they can do; is look, listen, read, ask questions, and fill out a report. You know, like any other person on earth.
Except they did not just do that. They walked off with the persons MTG stuff, think only the product in question. But they still confiscated material on the spot.
They would have left. They wouldn't have confiscated a damn thing, from me. They are just security guards. Security guards, have zero authority on your private property. He could have told them to go suck off a donkey. There wouldn't have been a damn thing, they could have done about it. They could file a report. "Subject told us to go suck off a donkey. It really hurt our feelings. I think Joe may quit, now."
Quote from: Jam The MF on June 06, 2023, 08:18:40 PM
They would have left. They wouldn't have confiscated a damn thing, from me. They are just security guards. Security guards, have zero authority on your private property. He could have told them to go suck off a donkey. There wouldn't have been a damn thing, they could have done about it. They could file a report. "Subject told us to go suck off a donkey. It really hurt our feelings. I think Joe may quit, now."
If you want people who actually comply with the Law, you don't hire the Pinkertons! It seems very likely from the account that they did several illegal things in the interaction; not just verbal threats & physical intimidation, but also forcing their way in to the dwelling.
Quote from: S'mon on June 07, 2023, 03:28:38 AM
Quote from: Jam The MF on June 06, 2023, 08:18:40 PM
They would have left. They wouldn't have confiscated a damn thing, from me. They are just security guards. Security guards, have zero authority on your private property. He could have told them to go suck off a donkey. There wouldn't have been a damn thing, they could have done about it. They could file a report. "Subject told us to go suck off a donkey. It really hurt our feelings. I think Joe may quit, now."
If you want people who actually comply with the Law, you don't hire the Pinkertons! It seems very likely from the account that they did several illegal things in the interaction; not just verbal threats & physical intimidation, but also forcing their way in to the dwelling.
The forced entry into the home by non law enforcement individuals is a flat out home invasion. If it had been my home they would have been shot.