I didn't feel like rewriting the 4e Avenger flavour text on my phone just yet. But yeah, they're supposed to be religious zealots with some divine powers. Trained by extremists of their faith.

I guess the restriction on the behaviour would be "Lawful" alignment combined with the DM and players agreeing not to be jackasses? I'd be fine with a Nemesis being a Dexter/vigilante style serial killer.

Quote from: Planet Algol;773804I didn't feel like rewriting the 4e Avenger flavour text on my phone just yet.

The 4e flavour text does pull it together nicely, yes.

QuoteIf so, then I don't know what Lawful has to do with it, the guy's a magical serial killer.

Like I said, it's a holy Batman, with all the quandaries that entails.

I played a 1/2 elf Assasin/Cleric called Orlock (big 2000 ad fan) back in 86 or so.

It had a load of the stuff highlighted in the class what with being an assasin and a cleric like.

Trouble was the DM decided that the god of death, whom I worshipped natch, was chaotic what with death being so seemingly random.

So one of the daily rituals was to select a person at random each day you had to kill. Could be a duke, could be a little kid whatever.
Also tended to be big on causing generally large scale destruction, starting fires, rigging machinery to collapse as it was lifting a block of stone that sort of thing.

Interesting character to play didn't really feel like I needed any special mechanical benefits beyond those the classes I already had.

Quote from: YourSwordisMine;773559The Avenger is in the Rules Cyclopedia.

Cant get anymore old school than that.

Yup! I was going to say the same.

I don't know about some Assassin/Monk/Paladin bullshite mashup but I'm seriously loving the 3 way split of the Paladin in 5e with a type that fits Elves finally. I mean if any race is the archetype for paladin it would be an elf (all three subraces basically fit each flavor easily).

Quote from: Marleycat;774673I don't know about some Assassin/Monk/Paladin bullshite mashup but I'm seriously loving the 3 way split of the Paladin in 5e with a type that fits Elves finally. I mean if any race is the archetype for paladin it would be an elf (all three subraces basically fit each flavor easily).

Gotta agree.

If Glorfindel isn't a paladin, then who is...

Quote from: Planet Algol;773531Shockingly enough,  I don't have the book with the 4e Avenger in it,  but I dug what I've heard about it being a Severian/Batman esque holy warrior.

Would it be worthwhile trying to hack an oldschool D&D equivalent,  or just reskin the OD&D assassin?

Went ahead and did a quick-n-dirty version for Adventurer, Conqueror, King.

AVENGER
Prime Req: STR and WIS
Requirements: STR 9, DEX 9, WIS 9
Hit Die: 1d6
Max Level: 14

Needs 2500xp at 1st level, doubles every level until 8th, +120,000 xp every level after 8th



Fights and saves as a fighter. Can use fighter magic items.
Can use any melee weapon and leather or lighter armour.
Fighting Styles: 2-hand, 2 weapon
Divine spells per day as a cleric of half-level round up
Spell list same as blade-dancer
+1 to melee damage at 1st and again at every 3rd level (max +5 at 12th)
Sacred Armour: +1 bonus to AC if wearing leather or lighter and able to move freely; +2 at 7th, +3 at 13th
5th level:
Divine Striking: On successful melee attack, burn a spell slot to deal +1d4 damage per spell level.
Divine Wrath: At will, enter a sacred battle fury. +2 damage, immune to fear, cannot retreat from battle.
9th level: gain cleric stronghold
10th level: spell research, create scrolls and potions

Quote from: Archaeopteryx;774929Went ahead and did a quick-n-dirty version for Adventurer, Conqueror, King.

AVENGER
Prime Req: STR and WIS
Requirements: STR 9, DEX 9, WIS 9
Hit Die: 1d6
Max Level: 14

Needs 2500xp at 1st level, doubles every level until 8th, +120,000 xp every level after 8th



Fights and saves as a fighter. Can use fighter magic items.
Can use any melee weapon and leather or lighter armour.
Fighting Styles: 2-hand, 2 weapon
Divine spells per day as a cleric of half-level round up
Spell list same as blade-dancer
+1 to melee damage at 1st and again at every 3rd level (max +5 at 12th)
Sacred Armour: +1 bonus to AC if wearing leather or lighter and able to move freely; +2 at 7th, +3 at 13th
5th level:
Divine Striking: On successful melee attack, burn a spell slot to deal +1d4 damage per spell level.
Divine Wrath: At will, enter a sacred battle fury. +2 damage, immune to fear, cannot retreat from battle.
9th level: gain cleric stronghold
10th level: spell research, create scrolls and potions

Nice. I like it.

Quote from: Archaeopteryx;774929Went ahead and did a quick-n-dirty version for Adventurer, Conqueror, King.

AVENGER
Prime Req: STR and WIS
Requirements: STR 9, DEX 9, WIS 9
Hit Die: 1d6
Max Level: 14

Needs 2500xp at 1st level, doubles every level until 8th, +120,000 xp every level after 8th



Fights and saves as a fighter. Can use fighter magic items.
Can use any melee weapon and leather or lighter armour.
Fighting Styles: 2-hand, 2 weapon
Divine spells per day as a cleric of half-level round up
Spell list same as blade-dancer
+1 to melee damage at 1st and again at every 3rd level (max +5 at 12th)
Sacred Armour: +1 bonus to AC if wearing leather or lighter and able to move freely; +2 at 7th, +3 at 13th
5th level:
Divine Striking: On successful melee attack, burn a spell slot to deal +1d4 damage per spell level.
Divine Wrath: At will, enter a sacred battle fury. +2 damage, immune to fear, cannot retreat from battle.
9th level: gain cleric stronghold
10th level: spell research, create scrolls and potions

Hm... that looks surprisingly faithful to the 4e version nice job.