Been watching the Avengers in various forms, new film, cartoon show, etc.

Has me thinking about maybe playing some superheroes in between development of Hulks and Horrors.

Was wondering if there's anything in this particular department in the supers vein.  

I know someone did some kind of rehash of the MSH system IIRC, but anything else?  Any old-school D&D based projects?

Quote from: J Arcane;540139Been watching the Avengers in various forms, new film, cartoon show, etc.

Has me thinking about maybe playing some superheroes in between development of Hulks and Horrors.

Was wondering if there's anything in this particular department in the supers vein.  

I know someone did some kind of rehash of the MSH system IIRC, but anything else?  Any old-school D&D based projects?

The retroclone of FASERIP is 4C, and it's in the public domain.  It's hosted on Lulu, because there are dead tree copies you can order, but the pdf is here.  There are a couple of steps, and if you don't have a Lulu account, you will need to set one up before 'purchasing' it and downloading.  I am pretty sure I have a copy floating around, let me know and I can email it instead, if the Lulu method is a hassle.

The closest you will get to a D&D system is Villains and Vigilantes, now on version 2.1, which is just a bit of clean up and clarification on the original rules.  The ability scores go to 90+ on the charts, so you will have to squint a little to see the D&D under there.  Still, $7.50 for the pdf is not a bad deal, really.  I think they used to have the original rules scanned in and they were free for a while, but I can't find a link for those anymore.

Check out Mystery Men:

http://matt-landofnod.blogspot.co.uk/p/mystery-men.html

It's pretty much exactly what you're looking for. And it's good too!

I was also going to say Mystery Men. It's not perfect, but it works.

Yeah Mystery Men is OGL/D&Dish. Villains and Vigilantes predated the OGL and was one of the earlier superhero games, and it scales decently (with some GM assistance) for being based on the idea of D&D. (As opposed to direct mechanics.)

There are several based more on D20 (but not so D&D/Old School)

I like the page counts on these games.  Less is more.

I've actually got a good chunk of one of my own on my hard drive.  V&V without the equations and decimal multiplication.

So, Mystery Men is ... odd.

The feats mechanic is stupid.  Needlessly convoluted for what appears to be no actual good reason that I can find.  

The trade off between level and powers is, well, weird as well, and I dislike that there's no random powers option.  

I could see playing this, but not without some house ruling.

Yeah, it could have been done better.

Quote from: J Arcane;540326I dislike that there's no random powers option.

There's some Random Power generation rules here:

http://mutantsmagic.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/random-power-tables-for-mystery-men.html

Those tables remind me of something I did like though: There are a lot, and I mean a fuck of a lot, of powers, and they're all described in that good old OD&D brevity that I like.  

I'm reading up on V&V now. So far, I'm not sure I like this whole "make yourself" assumption, but it does say there's rules for more normalish chargen later, so we'll see when we get there.

The decimal modifiers are weird too, but so far I haven't seen any that are used during play.  Does that change?

As far as I can recall you never use the decimal multipliers in play.  FGU had this huge obsession with mass based hit points back in the day.  The Daredevils / Aftermath family of games had similar things.

The Decimal modifiers only are used rarely. Heal Rates decimal becomes a percentage for healing. Other decimal points for hit points and such only become an issue of the heroes size/mass or stats change significantly in play.

Is Marvel SAGA worth a damn or what?

There's also Hideouts & Hoodlums, which is based more closely on the 1974 version of D&D (via Swords & Wizardry).