Posted this is the other thread...no the OTHER one. Pundit needs to get on the ball and consolidate all this!

From troll Lord Games regarding the Hasbro/Wotc OGL 1.1.
TLG has been a longtime supporter of WoTC and Dungeons and Dragons. We started playing D&D in 1976. The news about the OGL 1.0 (a), if it is true, and it is important to note that as of this moment nothing official has been released, is rather disappointing. Supporting the new OGL, in the form it appeared in the leaked commentary, is not an option for us at TLG. If it manifests in this speculated form, it is an unnecessarily harsh treatment of the entire TTRPG family, those who played, play, and who publish. It is basically an admission of distrust in the people who play their game, the very ones who bring it to ever greater heights of expression. TLG does not share that philosophy. The only thing that maintains our stance in this ttrpg family is the family itself, creators, publishers, players, game masters, their own families, and friends who cheer them on from the sidelines. TLG will not sign this leaked OGL, nor participate in it in any way. Castles & Crusades and all the Siege Engine games are powered by the Siege Engine Attribute Check Mechanic, which is owned entirely by our parent company Chenault & Gray Publishing. What little pieces of the SRD leaked its way into our game over the years, we'll quietly remove, and carry on making and publishing games for us all to play.

Quote from: amacris on January 09, 2023, 09:35:10 PM
ACKS II will be OGL/SRD free

I've heard talk that you're planning on having some sort of "Open License" in forthcoming products for others to use, have you any details worked out yet?

Looks like Frog God and Kobold Press have announcements in the works as well.

I have a funny feeling that Wotc will back down to some degree due to the Wokesphere backlash because they are pussies.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on January 10, 2023, 12:25:18 PM
I have a funny feeling that Wotc will back down to some degree due to the Wokesphere backlash because they are pussies.

Of course they will, either due to the woketard backlash (the part about them being pussies isn't in question, they are)

Or because that was their plan all along, "leak" something so outrageous it will draw the ire from everybody. Then come with the real deal and the stuff they planed to use all along and say: "See? We listen to the fans!"

Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 10, 2023, 12:56:31 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on January 10, 2023, 12:25:18 PM
I have a funny feeling that Wotc will back down to some degree due to the Wokesphere backlash because they are pussies.

Of course they will, either due to the woketard backlash (the part about them being pussies isn't in question, they are)

Or because that was their plan all along, "leak" something so outrageous it will draw the ire from everybody. Then come with the real deal and the stuff they planed to use all along and say: "See? We listen to the fans!"

Yeah, that sounds about right... We call it 'flying the kite'. Usually referring to when politicians are trying to gauge a reaction to a new policy possibly coming down the line. So they can roll back if it proves too unpopular.

Ha$bro scum, either way.

Quote from: Spinachcat on January 09, 2023, 11:59:18 PM
All OSR games will be OGL free in short order. Huzzah!

I doubt any notable changes will be needed. At best, maybe some text rewriting if the authors did cut & paste from the SRD.

This really depends on if WOTC goes through with this and how litigious they're feeling if they do go through with it.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on January 10, 2023, 12:25:18 PM
I have a funny feeling that Wotc will back down to some degree due to the Wokesphere backlash because they are pussies.

Of all the topics to point to wokeism on, this is not one of them. EVERYONE is pissed about this. No matter your politics, EVERYONE is united in calling WOTC assholes right now. They're getting shots fired from pretty much every front. I seriously doubt any one is more important than the other when they're facing a hail of bullets.

I mean, the anti-woke guy who started that open letter is getting his letter signed by transgendered storygamers at this point. That's how united the opposition is right now. I have not seen worse PR and a more united RPG community pretty much ever. If they woke-sters could recruit JK Rowling and Dave Chappelle to speak out against WOTC right now, they probably would.

Quote from: Mistwell on January 10, 2023, 01:07:31 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on January 10, 2023, 12:25:18 PM
I have a funny feeling that Wotc will back down to some degree due to the Wokesphere backlash because they are pussies.

Of all the topics to point to wokeism on, this is not one of them. EVERYONE is pissed about this. No matter your politics, EVERYONE is united in calling WOTC assholes right now. They're getting shots fired from pretty much every front. I seriously doubt any one is more important than the other when they're facing a hail of bullets.

I mean, the anti-woke guy who started that open letter is getting his letter signed by transgendered storygamers at this point. That's how united the opposition is right now. I have not seen worse PR and a more united RPG community pretty much ever. If they woke-sters could recruit JK Rowling and Dave Chappelle to speak out against WOTC right now, they probably would.

Well... Duh. Everyone knows that 'everyone' is against it.

My point is that Has$bro will only really listen to the wokeshpere and not the OSR. They are only looking to capture the 5e fans and shit on their big competitors. And squeeze out money from the likes of Mercer, etc.

Quote from: Rod's Duo Narcotics on January 10, 2023, 11:04:15 AM

Quote from: amacris on January 09, 2023, 09:35:10 PM
ACKS II will be OGL/SRD free

I've heard talk that you're planning on having some sort of "Open License" in forthcoming products for others to use, have you any details worked out yet?

They're being worked on. I'm working out whether one of the Creative Commons licenses might be suitable, or whether a more specific license that focused on games would be better. One of the things that irks me about the OGL is that it purports to license you stuff that WOTC doesn't have a copyright in -- such as underlying game mechanics.

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Quote from: amacris on January 10, 2023, 01:48:00 PM

They're being worked on. I'm working out whether one of the Creative Commons licenses might be suitable, or whether a more specific license that focused on games would be better. One of the things that irks me about the OGL is that it purports to license you stuff that WOTC doesn't have a copyright in -- such as underlying game mechanics.

The one thing I would hate to see is a surge of competing, similar-but-not-identical licenses. I have to deal with this almost daily as part of my work - A project might entail dozens of resources under almost as many different versions of licenses, all of which have slight differences in what you are allowed to do, what you are required to do, and so on.

Granted, with RPGs, it won't be quite as much of an issue, since you're not really generally using a resource directly, like using a texture in a render, but still.

Quote from: Mistwell on January 10, 2023, 01:07:31 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on January 10, 2023, 12:25:18 PM
I have a funny feeling that Wotc will back down to some degree due to the Wokesphere backlash because they are pussies.

Of all the topics to point to wokeism on, this is not one of them. EVERYONE is pissed about this. No matter your politics, EVERYONE is united in calling WOTC assholes right now. They're getting shots fired from pretty much every front. I seriously doubt any one is more important than the other when they're facing a hail of bullets.

I mean, the anti-woke guy who started that open letter is getting his letter signed by transgendered storygamers at this point. That's how united the opposition is right now. I have not seen worse PR and a more united RPG community pretty much ever. If they woke-sters could recruit JK Rowling and Dave Chappelle to speak out against WOTC right now, they probably would.

I wonder how RPG.net is doing right now. Do they think Cynthia Williams is in league with Pundit & Zak Sabbath to destroy the gaming industry? 

ENW seems to be doing well on the united front, apart from a few SJW digs by Ruin Explorer calling criticism of Cynthia Williams sexist,  and Umbran telling me off for using Hitler & Putin analogies. 

Quote from: Bruwulf on January 10, 2023, 01:56:26 PM

Quote from: amacris on January 10, 2023, 01:48:00 PM

They're being worked on. I'm working out whether one of the Creative Commons licenses might be suitable, or whether a more specific license that focused on games would be better. One of the things that irks me about the OGL is that it purports to license you stuff that WOTC doesn't have a copyright in -- such as underlying game mechanics.

The one thing I would hate to see is a surge of competing, similar-but-not-identical licenses. I have to deal with this almost daily as part of my work - A project might entail dozens of resources under almost as many different versions of licenses, all of which have slight differences in what you are allowed to do, what you are required to do, and so on.

Granted, with RPGs, it won't be quite as much of an issue, since you're not really generally using a resource directly, like using a texture in a render, but still.

Yeah. It would be really good if the biggest RPG company/companies would work on a license to save the smaller players problems with this. They can fund any lawyers to make it really watertight.

Oh, that's why we're in the current predicament!

I get what you're wanting and why you want it, but its sort of ironic that this situation has occurred when (I think) the OGL was developed to avoid it!

Quote from: Bruwulf on January 10, 2023, 01:56:26 PM

Quote from: amacris on January 10, 2023, 01:48:00 PM

They're being worked on. I'm working out whether one of the Creative Commons licenses might be suitable, or whether a more specific license that focused on games would be better. One of the things that irks me about the OGL is that it purports to license you stuff that WOTC doesn't have a copyright in -- such as underlying game mechanics.

The one thing I would hate to see is a surge of competing, similar-but-not-identical licenses. I have to deal with this almost daily as part of my work - A project might entail dozens of resources under almost as many different versions of licenses, all of which have slight differences in what you are allowed to do, what you are required to do, and so on.

Granted, with RPGs, it won't be quite as much of an issue, since you're not really generally using a resource directly, like using a texture in a render, but still.

Not a lawyer but IMHO the CC By SA international 4.0 seems like a good fit, you can even declare what stuff isn't put under it like the art, name of the game, brands, etc.