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OSR games that are (or will be) free of the OGL.

Started by ForgottenF, January 09, 2023, 09:23:58 PM

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ForgottenF

As the OGL 1.1 issue has been developing over the last few days, I've become more and more of a doomer about it. Looking at the future of the hobby, there are a lot of ways this could go, but let's assume the worst. i.e, that  the OGL 1.0(a) will be legally revoked, and that any of the OSR games previously published under it might be about to end sale of their products. If that happens, I thought it might be useful to start a list here of which games are likely to survive and keep creating.

Therefore, a list of companies producing OSR (or close to it) games that either are already free of the old OGL., or have announced their intention to re-tool their games to be free of it:

Here's a few that I know of.

Sine Nomine Publishing Stars/Worlds without number. Everyone has already mentioned this, but apparently their games have never used the OGL, and are therefore not subject to Wizards' changes.

RPG Pundit Based on his video at least, the Pundit seems to be confident he can strip the OGL off those of his products that use it, with minimal losses.

The Arcane Library They've announced their intention to re-write their upcoming "Shadowdark" RPG and scrub out anything that would require the OGL before publication, as well as writing their own OGL.

Runehammer Games Index Card RPG, Viking Death Squad and EZd6. As far as I know, none of their games include the OGL.

This is just what happens to be on my radar at the moment. Others will likely know of other examples. If you think this is a useful topic, please feel free to add them.
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GeekyBugle

The Basic Expert will also pull his stuff and republish it free of the OGL/SRD.
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weirdguy564

#3
Dungeons and Delvers Red Book is OGL, but Dungeons and Delvers Dice Pool version, which is the version I like, has never been an OGL.  It was unique from day one.  I would say the dice from Savage Worlds, the skills and attributes from D6 Star Wars, with a system of D&D classes.  Sold on an online store created in response to woke censorship on Drivethru.  Site made by the guys at Bigus Geekus podcast.  Big Geek Emporium.

https://biggeekemporium.com/product/dungeons-delvers-dice-pool/

Shadow of the Demon Lord is not OGL.  It's big thing is character progression.  Every level from 1-10 (the max level is 10) is a bonus from your race, your first profession, your 2nd middle profession, or your 3rd master profession.  You also don't roll any bonuses.  If two players pick identical choices, their characters will numerically be identical.  But with dozens of options, it's not likely two characters will be the same. 

Dragon Warriors is not OGL.  It uses the D20, but is a roll under system.  Also, weapons do a fixed damage, but have a variable armor penetration dice used to beat armor.  Armor has a single digit target number called Armor Bypass.  Magic spells use magic points. 

Overall Dragon Warriors is almost an OSR, but they've modified each part of the game to be it's own thing. But they're simple things, so it's easy to pick up. 

Those are the three games I'm interested in right now that are classically similar to D&D, but altered enough to be standalone and not use the OGL
I'm glad for you if you like the top selling game of the genre.  Me, I like the road less travelled, and will be the player asking we try a game you've never heard of.

ForgottenF

I just saw a statement from Basic Fantasy RPG that they also intend to "excise" the OGL from their books, and move to the Creative Commons Share-a-Like license.

https://www.basicfantasy.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4596
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ForgottenF

Necrotic Gnome has also stated they are "making contingency plans", though it is still unclear what that will mean.

https://necroticgnome.com/blogs/news/ogl-v1-1
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Spinachcat

All OSR games will be OGL free in short order. Huzzah!

I doubt any notable changes will be needed. At best, maybe some text rewriting if the authors did cut & paste from the SRD.

JeremyR

Pretty much every spell, every magic item, and probably a lot of each class, at least the flavor text.

And all the monster descriptions.

And then remove all the monsters that are overly D&D-ish, Or from the Tome of Horror

So a lot of work, actually.


S'mon

I think games set in different genres than D&D 'dungeon fantasy' are in a pretty good position to strip out SRD material and go non-OGL. I think ACKS can be a sword & sorcery game that uses only non-protected general ideas & mechanics from D&D.

I worry about the retro-clones though. Trying to make eg BFRPG or S&W non-OGL seems quite a tall order to me.
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GeekyBugle

Quote from: S'mon on January 10, 2023, 03:46:14 AM
I think games set in different genres than D&D 'dungeon fantasy' are in a pretty good position to strip out SRD material and go non-OGL. I think ACKS can be a sword & sorcery game that uses only non-protected general ideas & mechanics from D&D.

I worry about the retro-clones though. Trying to make eg BFRPG or S&W non-OGL seems quite a tall order to me.

BFRPG is already well on it's way there.

They're combing ALL of the core rules text comparing it against the SRD and changing shit around, they already did the classes, racers, are currently on the spells and monsters.

The new edition will be released either under CC By SA or a custom open license, whosoever finish first has done a lot of the work for others.
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Batjon

What about some of my other faves like Dungeon Crawl Classics and Hyperborea?

rhialto

Quote from: Batjon on January 10, 2023, 05:15:24 AM
What about some of my other faves like Dungeon Crawl Classics and Hyperborea?
On the Hyperborea fora Jeff stated a few days ago that he had no response/reaction at this time. That was before the OGL 1.1 dropped.

S'mon

Quote from: Batjon on January 10, 2023, 05:15:24 AM
What about some of my other faves like Dungeon Crawl Classics and Hyperborea?

DCC should be easy to scrub, I think.

ACKS is definitely going non-OGL for future publications.
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blackstone

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Quote from: JeremyR on January 10, 2023, 02:48:16 AM
Pretty much every spell, every magic item, and probably a lot of each class, at least the flavor text.

And all the monster descriptions.

And then remove all the monsters that are overly D&D-ish, Or from the Tome of Horror

So a lot of work, actually.

Wrong. If it's in the SRD, then you can't use specific IP names. "Dwarf", "Elf", "Fireball", etc. are NOT SRD or IP specific, because they're common vernacular used withing TTRPG and PC/Console games.
So you can't use Mind Flayer. We all know this. You call it "Mind Slayer".
Magic Missile? Not in the SRD. But if you REALLY wanted to change the name, call it Arcane Missile or Mystic Bolt or something.
It's not that bad.

I was browsing through Facebook and the internet and seeing the reactions from various 3rd party publishers in the OSR and other 3rd party publishers:

-it seems that LL 2nd ed may be on hold or may not see the light of day.

-OSRIC is holding fast to OGL 1.0a. Thus giving the WoTC Nazis the middle finger.

-OSE's publisher is as of right now reevaluating things. Kind of a "wait and see" stance. they say they may have to redo their release schedule because of this.

-With Pathfinder, there's an open discussion on their forums right now. Not sure of Paizo's official stance though.

-Goodman Games, publisher of Dungeon Crawl Classics and Mutant Crawl Classics is quiet about this for now. Forums are pretty silent there.

that's all for now...
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