Quote from: ponta1010 on January 10, 2023, 03:15:42 PM
I get what you're wanting and why you want it, but its sort of ironic that this situation has occurred when (I think) the OGL was developed to avoid it!

That was never the point of the OGL.

An observation - while doing a BraveSearch on OGL1.1, forum entries for D&DBeyond popped up. So naturally my curiosity made me look.

While there are a few diehard defenders (who based on the different color for their names might even be staff), by and large WotC is even getting hammered for the OGL1.1 on their own forums with members saying they'll be canceling their D&DBeyond subscriptions if the OGL1.1 is instituted (talk's cheap, but the raw bulk of it adds up).

This is beyond "rolled a natural 1" territory for rollouts, this is "spilled chocolate sauce on the open face of the GM's favorite book because you were doing something stupid at the table" level horrible.

Funny thing, this.

I had someone say to me today that the OGL change would be a good thing because it's designed to reduce the amount of racist, homophobic, and transphobic content. I asked them to point out the statement of intent in that, and where it's lacking in the original OGL. It's not there. It never was. Just some mamby pamby standards of decency thing that does not spell those specific reasons she named out. Wishful thinking.

But everything I mentioned that is a warning sign of monopolistic greed is there in the leaked OGL, and this individual still stuck by their guns that what they say is the true intent of the new OGL.

Quote from: amacris on January 09, 2023, 09:35:10 PM
ACKS II will be OGL/SRD free

Will this also include fixing the Thief/Rogue equivalent class?

Quote from: Brad on January 10, 2023, 08:36:22 AM
Posted this is the other thread...no the OTHER one. Pundit needs to get on the ball and consolidate all this!

From troll Lord Games regarding the Hasbro/Wotc OGL 1.1.
TLG has been a longtime supporter of WoTC and Dungeons and Dragons. We started playing D&D in 1976. The news about the OGL 1.0 (a), if it is true, and it is important to note that as of this moment nothing official has been released, is rather disappointing. Supporting the new OGL, in the form it appeared in the leaked commentary, is not an option for us at TLG. If it manifests in this speculated form, it is an unnecessarily harsh treatment of the entire TTRPG family, those who played, play, and who publish. It is basically an admission of distrust in the people who play their game, the very ones who bring it to ever greater heights of expression. TLG does not share that philosophy. The only thing that maintains our stance in this ttrpg family is the family itself, creators, publishers, players, game masters, their own families, and friends who cheer them on from the sidelines. TLG will not sign this leaked OGL, nor participate in it in any way. Castles & Crusades and all the Siege Engine games are powered by the Siege Engine Attribute Check Mechanic, which is owned entirely by our parent company Chenault & Gray Publishing. What little pieces of the SRD leaked its way into our game over the years, we'll quietly remove, and carry on making and publishing games for us all to play.

The base system is safe, but I think a lot of the fluff (monsters, spells) is SRD. I'm curious if they could actually release another version of it without SRD content that isn't a second edition. It might actually be a good thing - if they're forced to do a second edition anyway, they can also clean up a few of the rough bits that have stuck with C&C for so long because they didn't want to do a new edition.

Kobold Press announces their plan to make their own RPG set of rules.  It's called Project Black Flag. 

https://koboldpress.com/raising-our-flag/

Greetings!

Yeah, let WOTC burn. They are a garbage company, swimming in a Marxist, woke, corporatist sewer. Let them gargle with napalm.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on January 11, 2023, 12:06:56 AM
Marxist, woke, corporatist sewer

I'm old enough to remember when "Marxist, corporatist" was a contradiction in terms!  It's a strange new world we live in.

Quote from: S'mon on January 11, 2023, 07:10:36 AM

Quote from: SHARK on January 11, 2023, 12:06:56 AM
Marxist, woke, corporatist sewer

I'm old enough to remember when "Marxist, corporatist" was a contradiction in terms!  It's a strange new world we live in.

Right?!

About five or six years ago, I was arguing with someone on G+ who insisted "cultural Marxism" wasn't a thing because Marxism is economic in nature. So I asked what they call it when the principles of Marxism are applied in a social setting. They said "progressivism."

I couldn't stop laughing for 10 minutes.

Quote from: Effete on January 11, 2023, 07:42:11 AM

Quote from: S'mon on January 11, 2023, 07:10:36 AM

Quote from: SHARK on January 11, 2023, 12:06:56 AM
Marxist, woke, corporatist sewer

I'm old enough to remember when "Marxist, corporatist" was a contradiction in terms!  It's a strange new world we live in.

Right?!

About five or six years ago, I was arguing with someone on G+ who insisted "cultural Marxism" wasn't a thing because Marxism is economic in nature. So I asked what they call it when the principles of Marxism are applied in a social setting. They said "progressivism."

I couldn't stop laughing for 10 minutes.

But is "progressivism" truly Marxist? In East Germany, for example, homosexuality was considered an expression of late capitalist degeneracy.

Kenzer & Co has stated their RPG line is Non-OGL and will not be directly affected. This includes Hackmaster and Aces & Eights.

Quote from: Rhymer88 on January 11, 2023, 08:51:16 AM

Quote from: Effete on January 11, 2023, 07:42:11 AM

Quote from: S'mon on January 11, 2023, 07:10:36 AM

Quote from: SHARK on January 11, 2023, 12:06:56 AM
Marxist, woke, corporatist sewer

I'm old enough to remember when "Marxist, corporatist" was a contradiction in terms!  It's a strange new world we live in.

Right?!

About five or six years ago, I was arguing with someone on G+ who insisted "cultural Marxism" wasn't a thing because Marxism is economic in nature. So I asked what they call it when the principles of Marxism are applied in a social setting. They said "progressivism."

I couldn't stop laughing for 10 minutes.

But is "progressivism" truly Marxist? In East Germany, for example, homosexuality was considered an expression of late capitalist degeneracy.

It's veering close to the topic edge, but the gay agenda was pushed hard by the Marxists in Russia while they were rising to power as an example of capitalist degeneracy that they would then rise up and save the good normal people from with their new order. It's basically the same "government creates a problem and then runs on fixing the problem" tactic common to history.

Hasbro/WotC is fully onboard the cultural Marxist (i.e. CRT) train and has been sliding it into D&D for more than a decade now. The present system must be declared sexist, racist and bigoted so the new "Year Zero" system can replace it.

That's what all their language about canceling the "bigots" in the OGL1.1 is about. It's virtue signaling that past editions and past licenses were problematic and need to wiped away and those who refuse to update are villains who just want to hold onto their bigoted ways.

Huh, that ended up way more on topic than I thought.

Quote from: Rhymer88 on January 11, 2023, 08:51:16 AM

Quote from: Effete on January 11, 2023, 07:42:11 AM
About five or six years ago, I was arguing with someone on G+ who insisted "cultural Marxism" wasn't a thing because Marxism is economic in nature. So I asked what they call it when the principles of Marxism are applied in a social setting. They said "progressivism."

I couldn't stop laughing for 10 minutes.

But is "progressivism" truly Marxist? In East Germany, for example, homosexuality was considered an expression of late capitalist degeneracy.

I'm not the one who said it. Why ask me? I just thought it was funny that the person's idea of what "progressivism" was relied on collective bargaining and sharing of resources. Oh, and centralized authority!

Homosexuality, in and of itself, is apolitical. The fact that the East Germans tried to politicize it against the opponents (as leftists do now, but in reverse), is irrelevant, no?

Quote from: phydeaux on January 11, 2023, 08:59:01 AM
Kenzer & Co has stated their RPG line is Non-OGL and will not be directly affected. This includes Hackmaster and Aces & Eights.

Cool. Seriously, at this point about the only potentially OGL-related property we've yet to hear word from is Critical Role.

Regarding them; I know some people think they'll work out a special license, but Matt Mercer has been liking some anti-OGL1.1 tweets lately and has made a point about wanting full creative control of his brand.

A license doesn't get him that. Jumping on the anti-D&D bandwagon now that it's become massively unpopular (just as they flowed to it at the height of its popularity) and offering up their own game system to their own fans though? That absolutely would.

Once Critical Role is gone what WotC releases as OGL1.1 almost doesn't matter. Every content creator they hoped to capture will be gone from their grip and the only things still on the OGL1.0a will be non-commercial archives and already defunct systems.

Quote from: Effete on January 11, 2023, 09:08:10 AM

Quote from: Rhymer88 on January 11, 2023, 08:51:16 AM

Quote from: Effete on January 11, 2023, 07:42:11 AM
About five or six years ago, I was arguing with someone on G+ who insisted "cultural Marxism" wasn't a thing because Marxism is economic in nature. So I asked what they call it when the principles of Marxism are applied in a social setting. They said "progressivism."

I couldn't stop laughing for 10 minutes.

But is "progressivism" truly Marxist? In East Germany, for example, homosexuality was considered an expression of late capitalist degeneracy.

I'm not the one who said it. Why ask me? I just thought it was funny that the person's idea of what "progressivism" was relied on collective bargaining and sharing of resources. Oh, and centralized authority!

Homosexuality, in and of itself, is apolitical. The fact that the East Germans tried to politicize it against the opponents (as leftists do now, but in reverse), is irrelevant, no?

It wasn't directed against you personally. Just a general observation on my part.