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OSR game jam - pundit, venger, grim need not apply

Started by Thorn Drumheller, May 24, 2022, 09:36:09 PM

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Thorn Drumheller

#30
May 25, 2022, 02:47:50 PM
Quote from: Godsmonkey on May 25, 2022, 02:44:35 PM
Sadly, they probably count on the fact they can make baseless attacks without repercussions because litigation isn't cheap.

^^^^This^^^^^^

litigation ain't cheap
Member in good standing of COSM.

Godsmonkey

#31
May 25, 2022, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on May 25, 2022, 02:47:50 PM
Quote from: Godsmonkey on May 25, 2022, 02:44:35 PM
Sadly, they probably count on the fact they can make baseless attacks without repercussions because litigation isn't cheap.

^^^^This^^^^^^

litigation ain't cheap

I, for one, would donate to a gofundme.

VisionStorm

#32
May 25, 2022, 03:10:46 PM
Litigation might not need to happen if the platform where these defamatory statements are being made takes issue with it and the affected people raise a stink. Sometimes the threat is all it takes.

GhostNinja

#33
May 25, 2022, 04:13:40 PM Last Edit: May 25, 2022, 04:23:18 PM by GhostNinja
Quote from: Godsmonkey on May 25, 2022, 02:44:35 PM

Sadly, they probably count on the fact they can make baseless attacks without repercussions because litigation isn't cheap.

I wish there was someone out there who would work on contingency so you could sue these idiots and not have to pay up unless you win.  Maybe losing lawsuits would send a clear message that making comments like that can be costly.  I dont even care if they have much, but if they have a house, a car, etc that you could take away from them, bet they wouldn't do that twice.
Ghostninja

VengerSatanis

#34
May 25, 2022, 04:13:50 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 25, 2022, 10:44:45 AM
Quote from: Mithgarthr on May 25, 2022, 10:38:11 AM
I could be wrong, but wouldn't a "Christian Satanist" be a Satanist who actually believes in/reveres the Satan of the Bible, as opposed to a LaVey-ite Satanist, who is more of an atheist with added pomp and circumstance?
I guess so? I've only ever seen Christian Satanists in fiction and propaganda.

For those curious about my beliefs, here's a blog post I made months ago:  https://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2021/09/gotta-serve-somebody.html

TL;DR: Culturally, I'm becoming more Christian everyday when I see how society is breaking down before our eyes.  Individually, I'm a Satanist... however, I don't think the majority of human beings are capable of handling the left-hand path.

jhkim

#35
May 25, 2022, 04:20:36 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on May 25, 2022, 03:10:46 PM
Litigation might not need to happen if the platform where these defamatory statements are being made takes issue with it and the affected people raise a stink. Sometimes the threat is all it takes.

In this case, the relevant part would be the itch.io terms of service, which say -

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It's worth a shot.

GhostNinja

#36
May 25, 2022, 04:22:26 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on May 25, 2022, 03:10:46 PM
Litigation might not need to happen if the platform where these defamatory statements are being made takes issue with it and the affected people raise a stink. Sometimes the threat is all it takes.

While I hate to play tattle tail, I emailed their support pointing them to the link, the comments made and how they are libel and could be legal trouble.  We will see what happens.
Ghostninja

GhostNinja

#37
May 25, 2022, 04:24:22 PM
Quote from: jhkim on May 25, 2022, 04:20:36 PM

In this case, the relevant part would be the itch.io terms of service, which say -

QuoteProhibited actions include but are not limited to:
...

  • Posting unlawful, misleading, malicious, or discriminatory content;
  • Bullying, intimidating, harassing, defaming, threatening others, or violating the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others;
...

https://itch.io/docs/legal/terms

Also, from Community Rules -

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Reporting bad behavior
If you see something that you're not comfortable with please don't hesitate to click the report button below the post. A moderator will review your report as soon as possible. If it's something that needs to be addressed faster please contact us via our support email.

cf. https://itch.io/support

It's worth a shot.

I already reported it and let them know what was said, the website, etc.  We will see what happens.  It would be funny if these idiots lose their site.
Ghostninja

Rob Necronomicon

#38
May 25, 2022, 04:43:30 PM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on May 25, 2022, 04:13:50 PM
TL;DR: Culturally, I'm becoming more Christian everyday when I see how society is breaking down before our eyes.  Individually, I'm a Satanist... however, I don't think the majority of human beings are capable of handling the left-hand path.

Have you gone from being an atheist then, man? I'm always interested to hear what changes someone's mind. I'm was the opposite I was actually pretty religious but then fell away from it the more I got involved with the skeptical movement.

I get the Satanist thing though, from a freedom perspective especially if you look at the Satanic Church. They are literally a bunch of people trying to do good stuff and promote freedom even though they are atheists.

But it's all good man, each to their own.

Godsmonkey

#39
May 25, 2022, 04:50:22 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on May 25, 2022, 03:10:46 PM
Litigation might not need to happen if the platform where these defamatory statements are being made takes issue with it and the affected people raise a stink. Sometimes the threat is all it takes.

Arent they well entrenched in leftist ideology? I suspect they fully support the wokist insanity.

Rob Necronomicon

#40
May 25, 2022, 04:50:39 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 25, 2022, 02:28:24 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 25, 2022, 12:35:43 PM
Sure, Venger likes to push buttons and I applaud him for it. But he was doing it way before all the attention. It's just his style.

The stuff Venger does seems childish and not anything that I would use.  But again, that's fine.  If people like it then he can keep on keeping on.  Not for me to say he can't make that kind of stuff, I simply wont support him.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 25, 2022, 12:35:43 PM
I've actually played with GJ. He's a great GM.
Why do you have a low opinion of him? He's always been very nice to me and is a genuine dude as far as I'm concerned.

Just things he has said and done make me wonder about him and he just doesn't seem like someone I want to game with.  I don't want to go deeply into it.   He can do his thing,  I will do mine.   All's good

I like quite a lot of Venger's stuff. Especially Blood Dark thirst and Alpha Blue which is awesome (I don't care about the sexual content in it). I tend to support him as he's been nothing but a gent to me and it's a nice two-finger salute to the woke scolds.

Again, I know Grim Quite well and I've worked with him. I may not agree with his anarchist views per se as they are too far left (anarchy is never sensible unless it's a short-term tool but it rarely works). But again GJ has always been cool to me.

But fair enough, everyone can do their own thing so it's all good at the end of the day.





Rob Necronomicon

#41
May 25, 2022, 04:51:43 PM
Quote from: Godsmonkey on May 25, 2022, 04:50:22 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on May 25, 2022, 03:10:46 PM
Litigation might not need to happen if the platform where these defamatory statements are being made takes issue with it and the affected people raise a stink. Sometimes the threat is all it takes.

Arent they well entrenched in leftist ideology? I suspect they fully support the wokist insanity.

Probably don't like having hassle from a company and business perspective.

RebelSky

#42
May 25, 2022, 05:13:17 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat on May 25, 2022, 02:49:43 AM
So if Pundit, Venger and Grim were coming to the game table, who do you want to GM and who would be better as players?

THAT would be a real OSR game jam!

Venger as DM. He's the most neutral of the three. Then he can put Pundit and Grim in a political debate class with a Beholder teacher. 😉

VisionStorm

#43
May 25, 2022, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: jhkim on May 25, 2022, 04:20:36 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on May 25, 2022, 03:10:46 PM
Litigation might not need to happen if the platform where these defamatory statements are being made takes issue with it and the affected people raise a stink. Sometimes the threat is all it takes.

In this case, the relevant part would be the itch.io terms of service, which say -

QuoteProhibited actions include but are not limited to:
...

  • Posting unlawful, misleading, malicious, or discriminatory content;
  • Bullying, intimidating, harassing, defaming, threatening others, or violating the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others;
...

https://itch.io/docs/legal/terms

Also, from Community Rules -

Quote
Reporting bad behavior
If you see something that you're not comfortable with please don't hesitate to click the report button below the post. A moderator will review your report as soon as possible. If it's something that needs to be addressed faster please contact us via our support email.

cf. https://itch.io/support

It's worth a shot.

Thank! I figured something like this had to be against the term of service, but was too lazy to check. :P

Quote from: GhostNinja on May 25, 2022, 04:22:26 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on May 25, 2022, 03:10:46 PM
Litigation might not need to happen if the platform where these defamatory statements are being made takes issue with it and the affected people raise a stink. Sometimes the threat is all it takes.

While I hate to play tattle tail, I emailed their support pointing them to the link, the comments made and how they are libel and could be legal trouble.  We will see what happens.

Same. Don't like it, but sometimes you have to put your money where your mouth is (or typing fingers as might be the case) and we can't let stuff like this slide, because it just emboldens them. So I went right ahead, followed the links jhkim posted and did it.

Rob Necronomicon

#44
May 25, 2022, 08:20:00 PM
Ironically though dropping this type of brown nose virtue signaling is great (and hilarious) because you know who not to do a Game jam with in the future (and in the case of Monkey Genital games who not to buy off too).

Win-win really... :)

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