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ORC License 1st draft released

Started by GeekyBugle, April 08, 2023, 08:22:57 PM

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GeekyBugle

April 08, 2023, 08:22:57 PM
What the tin says, the first draft of the ORC License has been released and feedback is welcome.

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si9y?First-Draft-of-the-ORC-License-Ready-for
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Aglondir

#1
April 08, 2023, 11:30:27 PM
This is interesting:

Quote from: ORC AxECan I say which primary game my product is built on?

o Absolutely! The trademark legal doctrine of Nominative Fair Use holds that you can say your product is compatible with another product. If you want to say your adventure is compatible with any famous brand you have always had to right to do that provided: (a) you are not using their Product Identity, and (b) you are not implying that you are authorized or endorsed by the companies that own those trademarks

That sounds like I can say "Compatible with Dungeons and Dragons 5th Edition" on the cover to my ORC-licensed adventure. In the past, people would say "Compatible with the world's most popular RPG."

Aglondir

#2
April 08, 2023, 11:34:18 PM
This is interesting as well:

Quote from:  ORC AxEWizards used CC BY 4.0, which gives everyone the right to use the contents of the SRD they designated. This was a wonderful assurance for the gaming community that 5e could confidentially be used forever. Unfortunately, when another company builds on their SRD, their innovations are trapped in their product and not automatically relicensed to the gaming community. This effectively kills the virtuous circle that open-source communities are built on

So if I use the entire 5E SRD, and add 5 new character classes and 20 new spells, those aren't automatically "open content?"

GeekyBugle

#3
April 08, 2023, 11:36:26 PM
Quote from: Aglondir on April 08, 2023, 11:30:27 PM
This is interesting:

Quote from: ORC AxECan I say which primary game my product is built on?

o Absolutely! The trademark legal doctrine of Nominative Fair Use holds that you can say your product is compatible with another product. If you want to say your adventure is compatible with any famous brand you have always had to right to do that provided: (a) you are not using their Product Identity, and (b) you are not implying that you are authorized or endorsed by the companies that own those trademarks

That sounds like I can say "Compatible with Dungeons and Dragons 5th Edition" on the cover to my ORC-licensed adventure. In the past, people would say "Compatible with the world's most popular RPG."

Even GWotKKK has "given you" the right to do so in their new 5e SRD under the CC By. Fact is you ALWAYS had the right but WotKKK tricked you into using a license that revoked that right (not sure how legal that was).
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Kahoona

#4
April 09, 2023, 01:35:02 AM
Any Mortality Clause in there? I know that was a worry.

GeekyBugle

#5
April 09, 2023, 01:43:12 AM
Quote from: Kahoona on April 09, 2023, 01:35:02 AM
Any Mortality Clause in there? I know that was a worry.

Nope, but don't take my word go download it and read it for yourself. Of course this is only the first draft.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

GhostNinja

#6
April 09, 2023, 09:03:32 AM
Quote from: Kahoona on April 09, 2023, 01:35:02 AM
Any Mortality Clause in there? I know that was a worry.

To answer your questions:

Limitations.
i. Nothing in this ORC License constitutes or may be construed as permission to assert or
imply that You are, or that Your Use of the ORC Content is, connected with, or sponsored,
endorsed, or granted official status by, the Licensor or others designated to receive
attribution hereunder.
Ghostninja

King Tyranno

#7
April 09, 2023, 09:15:58 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 09, 2023, 01:43:12 AM
Quote from: Kahoona on April 09, 2023, 01:35:02 AM
Any Mortality Clause in there? I know that was a worry.

Nope, but don't take my word go download it and read it for yourself. Of course this is only the first draft.

I had a quick read through. From what I understand, there's nothing stopping you from making Racial Holy War Second Edition under the ORC licence using 5E and saying it's compatible with DnD 5E. But don't expect Paizo to advertise or acknowledge it and don't expect WotC to do so either.

Yes I know that's an extreme example. But the point is, go wild. Just remember you're not actually friends with these companies.

zer0th

#8
April 09, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
I think it was very smart of Azora Law to acknowledge entryism as an inherent problem of any human organization. From my own perspective, trying to avoid O'Sullivan's First Law ("All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing"); but, of course, that wasn't in their minds. If their solution of not giving the license to any organization and making it immutable will work, I have no clue, I am no lawyer.

GhostNinja

#9
April 09, 2023, 06:13:27 PM
Any word on anyone (or company) that is planning to use the ORC license for their products?
Ghostninja

GeekyBugle

#10
April 09, 2023, 06:14:16 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on April 09, 2023, 06:13:27 PM
Any word on anyone (or company) that is planning to use the ORC license for their products?

Lots, Chaosium said they're releasing an SRD under it.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

GhostNinja

#11
April 09, 2023, 06:15:40 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 09, 2023, 06:14:16 PM
Lots, Chaosium said they're releasing an SRD under it.

That's awesome.  I would like if a lot of companies use it and give WOTC the finger.  They deserve it.
Ghostninja

Tod13

#12
April 09, 2023, 07:10:43 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 08, 2023, 08:22:57 PM
What the tin says, the first draft of the ORC License has been released and feedback is welcome.
https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si9y?First-Draft-of-the-ORC-License-Ready-for

Interesting. I sort of understand, but it appears they spend a lot of words saying "you can't use DRM and you have permission to remove DRM in order to re-use ORC content."

QuoteLicensor hereby waives and/or agrees not to assert any right or authority to forbid You from making technical modifications necessary to exercise the Licensed Rights, including technical modifications necessary to circumvent Effective Technological Measures

QuoteYou may not offer or impose any additional or different terms or conditions on, or apply any Effective Technological Measures to, the ORC Content if doing so restricts exercise of the Licensed Rights by any recipient of the ORC Content

FingerRod

#13
April 09, 2023, 07:13:00 PM
Someone help educate me. Why not release without using either?

If you cannot copyright rules, you don't need it. If you aren't creative enough to come up with your own shit, you shouldn't be a content creator. I seriously don't understand.

Tod13

#14
April 09, 2023, 07:16:11 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on April 09, 2023, 07:13:00 PM
Someone help educate me. Why not release without using either?

If you cannot copyright rules, you don't need it. If you aren't creative enough to come up with your own shit, you shouldn't be a content creator. I seriously don't understand.

I kind of understand that too.

However, the biggest thing seems to be a desire to have some sort of legal protection. You say you can't copyright rules, but can you afford to defend that in court?

I'm not sure why, with stuff like CC we need another license, but I guess adding stuff like the anti-DRM component is nice.
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