So, for all their touting of the "virtuous circle" that the ORC was going to produce, when the rubber meets the road and dollars are on the line, Paizo has banned the use of the ORC license in association with Pathfinder Infinite and Starfinder Infinite.

This video covers it in more detail...

Hairdye, medication, and buckets of doughnuts and unhealthy snacks aren't cheap, those paizo piggies gotta keep themselves fed!

Looking at Paizo's press release, they're offering a separate license for PF/SF Infinite as opposed to ORC. Not sure why.

It would help if I knew what the hell PF/SF Infinite was. This may require a little research.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on November 16, 2023, 09:10:46 AM
Looking at Paizo's press release, they're offering a separate license for PF/SF Infinite as opposed to ORC. Not sure why.

It would help if I knew what the hell PF/SF Infinite was. This may require a little research.

Short version is that Infinite is Paizo's personal walled garden akin to Storyteller's Vault for WW and what WotC is hoping to make OneD&D into.

How it differs from Archives of Nethys?

I knew ORC was a lie from the outset.

And honestly it is unneeded unless you honestly plan on making supplements for games under, which that seems to be bunk as well.

Creative Commons is for based people.

If it was me, we should go Linux for Fantasy RPG's.  Get together a project leader and ask people to donate their time for free building up a rules system for a PHB, DMG and Monster Manual, all of which is free to use online while building a free to use D&D Clone.  Sell paper versions of the rules and a subscription based D&D clone that offers combat tracker, built in VTT, ability to link to discord for Foundry, Fantasy Grounds and Owlbear etc.  Have a market place where modules and custom unofficial content can be sold.  All core books go through the committee for release.

Does it sound commie, a bit commie, but we got linux through a project lead and people working together.  We could create a good thing to sell digitally, play digitally and built digitally.  We could use the rules on TTRPG just the same as well by selling paper books at a premium.  When I'm playing at the table, I use digital for my monsters, its faster to search than pen through a book or having to write down the monster stats.

"WOTC sucks, so do business with us instead!!!" 

"Oh wait, apparently we suck too?"

Nevermind....

From what I understand, it's like how you can use ORC for setting neutral stuff, but if you want to use their IP like Golarion you need to do a stricter license, kind of like WOTC and DM's Guild letting you use Forgotten Realms but with strings attached. That makes sense to me.

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on November 17, 2023, 03:25:41 AM
From what I understand, it's like how you can use ORC for setting neutral stuff, but if you want to use their IP like Golarion you need to do a stricter license, kind of like WOTC and DM's Guild letting you use Forgotten Realms but with strings attached. That makes sense to me.

This. From my understanding, this is little different to our TAS programme for Traveller on Drivethru. Rules are one thing, but setting IP is the key to the kingdom and you cannot just give it away without properly spannering yourself. It would be like Disney giving away Star Wars.

It looks like they are dong something similar to what we intend, whereby you have a 'controlled' licence that lets people publish (and sell) material for the official setting (TAS for us), and something far looser and less restrictive for mechanics alone (which we are working on now for Traveller, probably not going ORC).

Makes absolute sense, really no hypocrisy here...

Don't care... I hate Paizo anyway.

But this move doesn't surprise me at all.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 16, 2023, 10:00:32 PM
If it was me, we should go Linux for Fantasy RPG's.  Get together a project leader and ask people to donate their time for free building up a rules system for a PHB, DMG and Monster Manual, all of which is free to use online while building a free to use D&D Clone.  Sell paper versions of the rules and a subscription based D&D clone that offers combat tracker, built in VTT, ability to link to discord for Foundry, Fantasy Grounds and Owlbear etc.  Have a market place where modules and custom unofficial content can be sold.  All core books go through the committee for release.

Does it sound commie, a bit commie, but we got linux through a project lead and people working together.  We could create a good thing to sell digitally, play digitally and built digitally.  We could use the rules on TTRPG just the same as well by selling paper books at a premium.  When I'm playing at the table, I use digital for my monsters, its faster to search than pen through a book or having to write down the monster stats.

As a libertarian rational anarchist anti-authoritarian, I have absolutely no problem with voluntary parallel collectivism.  (Remember kids, if the first step to utopia is mass murder, it's a hate cult and not a good system for governance.)  If there were enough people that wanted to do this kind of system, I'm down. 

That said, Cepheus Engine exists and is basically doing this.  The SRD is free to use any way you see fit and several others have opened up at least part of their derivatives for free use.  Interlock Unlimited is completely free to use (and a complete rules set.)  OSR Basic/Expert is also completely free.  While we are at it, the 5e SRD is now Creative Commons. 

It's also worth noting that you cannot copyright or patent game mechanics.  There have been multiple court cases that establish this ans precedence law in the US and abroad. 

QuoteFrom what I understand, it's like how you can use ORC for setting neutral stuff, but if you want to use their IP like Golarion you need to do a stricter license, kind of like WOTC and DM's Guild letting you use Forgotten Realms but with strings attached. That makes sense to me.

So the setting specific things are not included in ORC, rest is fine? Am I correct.
If that's it then I'm not sure why Chris scorns them - that's about philosophy he wanted for Ruins and Realms I thought - use it, but not specific setting of book?

As someone who has bought all the Pathfinder 1E books, mostly because it is essentially D&D 3.5 edition which they kept alive after WOTC brainfarted and created D&D 4E, I did notice the occasional lesbian relationship / other liberal promotion here and there sadly.

My Kingmaker adventure Path (the original, where you still had the option to be an evil slaver) had a promotion for it on its back side: "3.5 edition survives thrives!", and for around 10 years it did exactly that: It thrived as 3.5 was being kept alive by Paizo, and now I'm part of a group where the DM bought all the Pathfinder books and simply doesn't want to buy new ones and is ore than happy with this 3.5 system.

As such, I don't care what happens to Paizo either, and I am disappointed that they groveled to the perpetually 24/7 offended, but at the very least they still created some pretty great 3.5 content for which I will always be thankful.

I just hope that they didn't add too much woke BS. I am currently playing Giantslayer with my group, which was from 2015, and aside from the lesbian dwarf/orc relationship (degeneracy on two accounts!) and the occasional female leader, it seems pretty non-woke to me. We have a fat overweight and ugly hill giant woman who keeps proposing to this giant king, and was rejected and now cries about it in her diary we just found, and we have giants literally killing people and a bunch of orcs pitting a captured dwarf ranger (equipped with only a mithryl frying pan) against several bears (the dwarf being our companion, who was able to score a critical hit with his frying pan against one of the charging bears, to the point that one of the other bears got tamed by him and his skill rolls, which was awesome!), so plenty of animal cruelty and making fun of fat women, so not that much woke stuff so far aside from the occasional hot lesbian couple.

I just hope that it stays that way, and that not too many of my books (up until 2017-2018 I believe) have that nonsense put into them.

Quote from: nielspeterdejong on November 17, 2023, 07:39:30 AM
As someone who has bought all the Pathfinder 1E books, mostly because it is essentially D&D 3.5 edition which they kept alive after WOTC brainfarted and created D&D 4E, I did notice the occasional lesbian relationship / other liberal promotion here and there sadly.

My Kingmaker adventure Path (the original, where you still had the option to be an evil slaver) had a promotion for it on its back side: "3.5 edition survives thrives!", and for around 10 years it did exactly that: It thrived as 3.5 was being kept alive by Paizo, and now I'm part of a group where the DM bought all the Pathfinder books and simply doesn't want to buy new ones and is ore than happy with this 3.5 system.

As such, I don't care what happens to Paizo either, and I am disappointed that they groveled to the perpetually 24/7 offended, but at the very least they still created some pretty great 3.5 content for which I will always be thankful.

I just hope that they didn't add too much woke BS. I am currently playing Giantslayer with my group, which was from 2015, and aside from the lesbian dwarf/orc relationship (degeneracy on two accounts!) and the occasional female leader, it seems pretty non-woke to me. We have a fat overweight and ugly hill giant woman who keeps proposing to this giant king, and was rejected and now cries about it in her diary we just found, and we have giants literally killing people and a bunch of orcs pitting a captured dwarf ranger (equipped with only a mithryl frying pan) against several bears (the dwarf being our companion, who was able to score a critical hit with his frying pan against one of the charging bears, to the point that one of the other bears got tamed by him and his skill rolls, which was awesome!), so plenty of animal cruelty and making fun of fat women, so not that much woke stuff so far aside from the occasional hot lesbian couple.

I just hope that it stays that way, and that not too many of my books (up until 2017-2018 I believe) have that nonsense put into them.

Change the module to pull out the degenerancy.