A popular catchphrase of the 80s was "greed is good", from a popular Michael Douglas film. Consumerism exploded in that decade, it was the origin of Black Friday mania, Saturday Morning Cartoons as toyline ads, designer clothing brands for mass markets, etc. It was referred to as the Decade of Greed even during the decade itself.

The big difference is that people at the time didn't (on the whole) conflate consumerism with capitalism as concepts.

Meanwhile in the 70s and 80s there was a massive amount of rose-tinted nostalgia for the 1950s. 50s themed restuarants were omnipresent, nostalgia driven 50s films and TV were staples of pop culture. The 50s were treated as a kind of "golden age" of Americana, but again there was no association with that and capitalism.

Framing those zeitgeists, for lack of a better term, in the context of "capitalism" is most definitely a "Marxist" viewpoint, though a lot of that is just repeated online culture sophomorisms by people with no deeper understanding of Marxist ideology.

Quote from: strollofturtle on September 04, 2024, 12:37:58 PMA popular catchphrase of the 80s was "greed is good", from a popular Michael Douglas film. Consumerism exploded in that decade, it was the origin of Black Friday mania, Saturday Morning Cartoons as toyline ads, designer clothing brands for mass markets, etc. It was referred to as the Decade of Greed even during the decade itself.

The big difference is that people at the time didn't (on the whole) conflate consumerism with capitalism as concepts.

Meanwhile in the 70s and 80s there was a massive amount of rose-tinted nostalgia for the 1950s. 50s themed restuarants were omnipresent, nostalgia driven 50s films and TV were staples of pop culture. The 50s were treated as a kind of "golden age" of Americana, but again there was no association with that and capitalism.

Framing those zeitgeists, for lack of a better term, in the context of "capitalism" is most definitely a "Marxist" viewpoint, though a lot of that is just repeated online culture sophomorisms by people with no deeper understanding of Marxist ideology.

Having been born in '71 and lived through the 70s and 80s I can tell you this:

-the 70s sucked: post-Vietnam US, we felt like losers. Inflation was on the rise. OPEC gas embargo. USSR invading Afghanistan. Iran hostage crisis. Watergate. Nixon resigning. The CIA hearings which revealed MK/Ultra. 3-Mile Island. That peanut farmer Carter was in the White House, who didn't know fuck all how to run the country. His big solution to the energy crisis? Put on a sweater! LOL! And the biggest crime of the decade?

DISCO.

-the 80s were an improvement: The Miracle on Ice (1980 US Hockey Team winning gold). Landslide victory Reagan over Carter, which was a no-brainer. Economic recovery from 1983 onward, which led to an economic boom for a vast majority of Americans. Reagan didn't kowtow to our adversaries, unlike Carter, who had no backbone. Cable TV became more prevalent, which fostered competition for your viewership, and created a wider variety of programming. the Iran/Contra affair. "Mr Gorbechev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" Mtv premiered. Ya know, back when the channel ACTUALLY SHOWED MUSIC VIDEOS. Which leads me to the music: it was MUCH BETTER.

Again, having lived through both the 70s and 80s: 70s were shit, the 80s were alot better.

Quote from: blackstone on September 04, 2024, 01:08:08 PM

Quote from: strollofturtle on September 04, 2024, 12:37:58 PMA popular catchphrase of the 80s was "greed is good", from a popular Michael Douglas film. Consumerism exploded in that decade, it was the origin of Black Friday mania, Saturday Morning Cartoons as toyline ads, designer clothing brands for mass markets, etc. It was referred to as the Decade of Greed even during the decade itself.

The big difference is that people at the time didn't (on the whole) conflate consumerism with capitalism as concepts.

Meanwhile in the 70s and 80s there was a massive amount of rose-tinted nostalgia for the 1950s. 50s themed restuarants were omnipresent, nostalgia driven 50s films and TV were staples of pop culture. The 50s were treated as a kind of "golden age" of Americana, but again there was no association with that and capitalism.

Framing those zeitgeists, for lack of a better term, in the context of "capitalism" is most definitely a "Marxist" viewpoint, though a lot of that is just repeated online culture sophomorisms by people with no deeper understanding of Marxist ideology.

Having been born in '71 and lived through the 70s and 80s I can tell you this:

-the 70s sucked: post-Vietnam US, we felt like losers. Inflation was on the rise. OPEC gas embargo. USSR invading Afghanistan. Iran hostage crisis. Watergate. Nixon resigning. The CIA hearings which revealed MK/Ultra. 3-Mile Island. That peanut farmer Carter was in the White House, who didn't know fuck all how to run the country. His big solution to the energy crisis? Put on a sweater! LOL! And the biggest crime of the decade?

DISCO.

-the 80s were an improvement: The Miracle on Ice (1980 US Hockey Team winning gold). Landslide victory Reagan over Carter, which was a no-brainer. Economic recovery from 1983 onward, which led to an economic boom for a vast majority of Americans. Reagan didn't kowtow to our adversaries, unlike Carter, who had no backbone. Cable TV became more prevalent, which fostered competition for your viewership, and created a wider variety of programming. the Iran/Contra affair. "Mr Gorbechev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" Mtv premiered. Ya know, back when the channel ACTUALLY SHOWED MUSIC VIDEOS. Which leads me to the music: it was MUCH BETTER.

Again, having lived through both the 70s and 80s: 70s were shit, the 80s were alot better.

So, IOW...

Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray
South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio
Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, television
North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe
Rosenbergs, H-bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
Brando, "The King and I", and "The Catcher in the Rye"
Eisenhower, Vaccine, England's got a new queen
Marciano, Liberace, Santayana, goodbye
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it
Joseph Stalin, Malenkov, Nasser and Prokofiev
Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc
Roy Cohn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, Dacron
Dien Bien Phu falls, "Rock Around the Clock"
Einstein, James Dean, Brooklyn's got a winning team
Davy Crockett, Peter Pan, Elvis Presley, Disneyland
Bardot, Budapest, Alabama, Krushchev
Princess Grace, Peyton Place, Trouble in the Suez
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it
Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac
Sputnik, Chou En-Lai, "Bridge on the River Kwai"
Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle, California baseball
Starkweather homicide, children of thalidomide
Buddy Holly, Ben Hur, space monkey, mafia
Hula hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no-go
U2, Syngman Rhee, Payola and Kennedy
Chubby Checker, Psycho, Belgians in the Congo
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it
Hemingway, Eichmann, "Stranger in a Strange Land"
Dylan, Berlin, Bay of Pigs invasion
"Lawrence of Arabia", British Beatlemania
Ole Miss, John Glenn, Liston beats Patterson
Pope Paul, Malcolm X, British politician sex
JFK – blown away, what else do I have to say?
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it
Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon back again
Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock
Begin, Reagan, Palestine, terror on the airline
Ayatollah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan
"Wheel of Fortune", Sally Ride, heavy metal suicide
Foreign debts, homeless vets, AIDS, crack, Bernie Goetz
Hypodermics on the shore, China's under martial law
Rock and roller, cola wars, I can't take it anymore
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
But when we are gone
It will still burn on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it

Quote from: blackstone on September 04, 2024, 01:08:08 PMMtv premiered. Ya know, back when the channel ACTUALLY SHOWED MUSIC VIDEOS.

Off topic, such as it is... This was the fate of alot of channels. Discovery, History, Sci-Fi, and many more.

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 04, 2024, 10:43:53 PM

Quote from: blackstone on September 04, 2024, 01:08:08 PM

Quote from: strollofturtle on September 04, 2024, 12:37:58 PMA popular catchphrase of the 80s was "greed is good", from a popular Michael Douglas film. Consumerism exploded in that decade, it was the origin of Black Friday mania, Saturday Morning Cartoons as toyline ads, designer clothing brands for mass markets, etc. It was referred to as the Decade of Greed even during the decade itself.

The big difference is that people at the time didn't (on the whole) conflate consumerism with capitalism as concepts.

Meanwhile in the 70s and 80s there was a massive amount of rose-tinted nostalgia for the 1950s. 50s themed restuarants were omnipresent, nostalgia driven 50s films and TV were staples of pop culture. The 50s were treated as a kind of "golden age" of Americana, but again there was no association with that and capitalism.

Framing those zeitgeists, for lack of a better term, in the context of "capitalism" is most definitely a "Marxist" viewpoint, though a lot of that is just repeated online culture sophomorisms by people with no deeper understanding of Marxist ideology.

Having been born in '71 and lived through the 70s and 80s I can tell you this:

-the 70s sucked: post-Vietnam US, we felt like losers. Inflation was on the rise. OPEC gas embargo. USSR invading Afghanistan. Iran hostage crisis. Watergate. Nixon resigning. The CIA hearings which revealed MK/Ultra. 3-Mile Island. That peanut farmer Carter was in the White House, who didn't know fuck all how to run the country. His big solution to the energy crisis? Put on a sweater! LOL! And the biggest crime of the decade?

DISCO.

-the 80s were an improvement: The Miracle on Ice (1980 US Hockey Team winning gold). Landslide victory Reagan over Carter, which was a no-brainer. Economic recovery from 1983 onward, which led to an economic boom for a vast majority of Americans. Reagan didn't kowtow to our adversaries, unlike Carter, who had no backbone. Cable TV became more prevalent, which fostered competition for your viewership, and created a wider variety of programming. the Iran/Contra affair. "Mr Gorbechev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" Mtv premiered. Ya know, back when the channel ACTUALLY SHOWED MUSIC VIDEOS. Which leads me to the music: it was MUCH BETTER.

Again, having lived through both the 70s and 80s: 70s were shit, the 80s were alot better.

So, IOW...

Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray
South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio
Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, television
North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe
Rosenbergs, H-bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
Brando, "The King and I", and "The Catcher in the Rye"
Eisenhower, Vaccine, England's got a new queen
Marciano, Liberace, Santayana, goodbye
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it
Joseph Stalin, Malenkov, Nasser and Prokofiev
Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc
Roy Cohn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, Dacron
Dien Bien Phu falls, "Rock Around the Clock"
Einstein, James Dean, Brooklyn's got a winning team
Davy Crockett, Peter Pan, Elvis Presley, Disneyland
Bardot, Budapest, Alabama, Krushchev
Princess Grace, Peyton Place, Trouble in the Suez
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it
Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac
Sputnik, Chou En-Lai, "Bridge on the River Kwai"
Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle, California baseball
Starkweather homicide, children of thalidomide
Buddy Holly, Ben Hur, space monkey, mafia
Hula hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no-go
U2, Syngman Rhee, Payola and Kennedy
Chubby Checker, Psycho, Belgians in the Congo
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it
Hemingway, Eichmann, "Stranger in a Strange Land"
Dylan, Berlin, Bay of Pigs invasion
"Lawrence of Arabia", British Beatlemania
Ole Miss, John Glenn, Liston beats Patterson
Pope Paul, Malcolm X, British politician sex
JFK – blown away, what else do I have to say?
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it
Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon back again
Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock
Begin, Reagan, Palestine, terror on the airline
Ayatollah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan
"Wheel of Fortune", Sally Ride, heavy metal suicide
Foreign debts, homeless vets, AIDS, crack, Bernie Goetz
Hypodermics on the shore, China's under martial law
Rock and roller, cola wars, I can't take it anymore
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
But when we are gone
It will still burn on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it

B.B. Bumble and the Stingers, Mott the Hoople, Ray Charles Singers
Lonnie Mack and twangin' Eddie, here's my ring, we're goin' steady
Take it easy, take me higher, liar liar, house on fire
Loco-motion, Poco, Passion, Deeper Purple, Satisfaction
Baby baby, gotta gotta, gimme gimme, gettin' hotter
Sammy's cookin', Lesley Gore, Ritchie Valens, end of story
Mahavishnu, Fujiyama, Kama Sutra, Rama Lama
Richard Perry, Spector, Barry, Righteous, Archies, Nilsson Harry
Shimmy Shimmy Ko-Ko Bop it, Fats is back and Finger Poppin'

Life is a rock
But the radio rolled me
Gotta turn it up louder
So my DJ told me

FM, AM, hits are clickin' while the clock is tock-a-tickin'
Friends and Romans, salutations, Brenda and the Tabulations
Carly Simon, Noddy Holder, Rolling Stones, centerfolder
Johnny Cash and Johnny Rivers, can't stop now, I got the shivers
Mungo Jerry, Peter Peter, Paul and Paula, Mary Mary
Dr. John the Nightly Tripper, Doris Day and Jack the Ripper
Gotta go so, gotta swelter, Leon Russell, Gimme Shelter
Miracles in Smokey places, slide guitars and Fender basses
Mushroom omelet, Bonnie Bramlett, Wilson Pickett, stomp and kick it

Life is a rock
But the radio
Life is a rock
But the radio,
Woo-woo-woo

Arthur Janov primal screamin', Hawkins Jay and Dale and Ronnie
Kukla, Fran and Norman Okla, Denver John and Osmond Donny
J.J. Cale and ZZ Top and L.L. Bean and De De Dinah
David Bowie, Steely Dan, sing it prouder, C.C. Rider
Edgar Winter, Joanie Sommers, Ides of March, Johnny Thunders
Eric Clapton, pedal wah-wah, Stephen Foster, doo-dah, doo-dah
Good Vibrations, Help Me Rhonda, Surfer Girl and Little Honda
Tighter tighter, honey honey, sugar sugar, yummy yummy
CBS and Warner Brothers, RCA and all the others

Life is a rock
But the radio rolled me
Gotta turn it up louder
So my DJ told me

Life is a rock
But the radio rolled me
At the end of my rainbow
Lies a golden oldie