Quote from: Omega;969593Can we get back to the subject of gaming companies ripping off their designers or artists? Because for fucks sake this happens way too much and seems to be increasing. (I know it probably isnt. But the amount of reports is climbing.)

GOO, FFG, SJG, Atlas, Hasbro, FGU, WW, GW, and god knows how many little companies.

I'd be more interested in seeing links to go with those company names...

Quote from: Omega;969593Can we get back to the subject of gaming companies ripping off their designers or artists? Because for fucks sake this happens way too much and seems to be increasing. (I know it probably isnt. But the amount of reports is climbing.)

GOO, FFG, SJG, Atlas, Hasbro, FGU, WW, GW, and god knows how many little companies.

While I don't agree with everything he says I can see why some writers don't get paid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE

Quote from: Omega;969593Can we get back to the subject of gaming companies ripping off their designers or artists? Because for fucks sake this happens way too much and seems to be increasing. (I know it probably isnt. But the amount of reports is climbing.)

GOO, FFG, SJG, Atlas, Hasbro, FGU, WW, GW, and god knows how many little companies.

Quote from: J.L. Duncan;969610I'd be more interested in seeing links to go with those company names...

As J.L. says, citation needed, please.

Quote from: J.L. Duncan;969610I'd be more interested in seeing links to go with those company names...

Some you can look up. GOO comes to mind right off and theres still bad blood over that. Others I know of personally. Atlas and SJG were two where they tried to stiff the artists. SJG is the surprising one. But I knew the artist who worked for them and he still holds a grudge.

As I noted in another thread. I just dont understand it sometimes. Why some companies do the underhanded things they do.

And this isnt even getting into the absolute screwover of Supremacy. A board game yes. But its still theft.

Quote from: Omega;969652Some you can look up. GOO comes to mind right off and theres still bad blood over that. Others I know of personally. Atlas and SJG were two where they tried to stiff the artists. SJG is the surprising one. But I knew the artist who worked for them and he still holds a grudge.

As I noted in another thread. I just dont understand it sometimes. Why some companies do the underhanded things they do.

And this isnt even getting into the absolute screwover of Supremacy. A board game yes. But its still theft.

I'm not aware of most of the controversies. So I have no idea where to start. Since you are asserting the problem (as you seem to know about it), why not include some links?

Quote from: Omega;969652As I noted in another thread. I just dont understand it sometimes. Why some companies do the underhanded things they do.

And as I've noted very often. Assertions are better with evidence. That's how I'd prefer them.

Quote from: J.L. Duncan;969798I'm not aware of most of the controversies. So I have no idea where to start. Since you are asserting the problem (as you seem to know about it), why not include some links?

Because I've posted it before and Im not posting it again, and then again when the next "Publishers screw over someone" thread pops up. I am not digging through nearly ten years of threads with a barely functional search AGAIN, just because you are every so skeptical your favourite company might have been dealing dirty.

And to add to the list theres WOTCs screwover of WizKids.

Quote from: J.L. Duncan;969799And as I've noted very often. Assertions are better with evidence. That's how I'd prefer them.

And as I've noted very often. Look it up yourself. You might find a few skeletons in closets even I dont know of.

Quote from: Omega;969803Because I've posted it before and Im not posting it again, and then again when the next "Publishers screw over someone" thread pops up. I am not digging through nearly ten years of threads with a barely functional search AGAIN, just because you are every so skeptical your favourite company might have been dealing dirty.

And to add to the list theres WOTCs screwover of WizKids.

Well, How about a link to where you posted it? Did you post it here? Because if it was ten years ago... That would be strange beings that the join date of your handle is Sept 2013...

And I don't have a "favorite Company," except... the company I keep.

But for the record I'll generally ignore you from here on out. No worries.

Allegations without evidence. So, Internet SOP.

To be fair, doing an internet search of "Guardians of Order not paying authors" isn't very hard.

I'm not convinced this is a "new" thing. RPG business is a cottage industry, outside of a few major players. There are more RPG operations now than ever (totally bullshit claim from the side of my neck) - and given the relative obscurity of how one endeavors in such salt-mines where the bar is set so low in terms of producing a game today, it stands to reason that a lot of these producers are not experienced (though some might be).

Conversely being a writer for an RPG has a fairly low bar as well. I'm willing to believe in most cases this is simply a lack of experience and professionalism on both parts. It's easy to blame the publisher, because ultimately the money comes them. But if you're going to work for yourself as a writer/creator - it's your job to keep your eyes on the ball and protect your own interests. Being professional means taking every step of the process seriously - this is your time and effort. It's worth exactly what the market will bear - if you don't value it, then don't be shocked that people turn your trash into gold for themselves. Because that's what you're treating your product like when you don't protect your interest in it.

I know there are real creepo's out there with bad intentions among game publishers. That's why discussions like these are important. I'm hesitant to lump them all together when some of these incidents may be explained in other ways. Again - the best way to resolve these issues is to be professional. If you don't know what that means, then you are in for a rough ride at some point.

Quote from: Baron Opal;969846To be fair, doing an internet search of "Guardians of Order not paying authors" isn't very hard.

To be fair, this guy claims to be in the know yet declines to back up his allegations. Again, Internet SOP. Not my job to prove your claim for you.

Quote from: Baron Opal;969846To be fair, doing an internet search of "Guardians of Order not paying authors" isn't very hard.

I just did - the first four results were various articles from The Guardian, and the fifth result was this thread.

Quote from: Baron Opal;969846To be fair, doing an internet search of "Guardians of Order not paying authors" isn't very hard.

And to be fair, defining that "GOO" is Guardians of the Order... Thank you. I had no idea what GOO was. And my overall point is that it adds to the discussion if things are defined or if possible referenced. Thought admittedly discussing other companies is a slight derail.
A response like: "I don't want to... Because I don't want to," is lame.