Mediocre to sub-par. Neat engine, sucky execution. And I am the mechanically minded demographic. This is too little too late and still reeks of insular design. Its more Pathfinder for people that liked vanilla pathfinder. For people that wanted more, or only used Pathfinder as a launching point its sub-par and mediocre. Which doesn't cut it as a transitional engine.

Edit: While Only OSR or really retro stuff gets respect around these parts, D&D 3e is 20 years old. 20 Years old and receiving some form of support or another. Its had decades to iron out kinks, have houserules made, rules modified and customized. 3rd party, 1st party, 2nd party.

It has plenty of detractors (for good reason), but those that like it are going to be hard pressed to move on (from their piles and piles of existing materials) unless that new stuff is top notch.

Quote from: Jaeger;1143085Currently playing in a 5e game. One of the group wanted to Gm. It works because our group makes it work. I'll just say that the system could have been made smoother and leave it at that lest I be accused of D&D bashing.

Bash away! We need a "5E fucking sucks" thread.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1143107Mediocre to sub-par. Neat engine, sucky execution. And I am the mechanically minded demographic. This is too little too late and still reeks of insular design. Its more Pathfinder for people that liked vanilla pathfinder. For people that wanted more, or only used Pathfinder as a launching point its sub-par and mediocre. Which doesn't cut it as a transitional engine.

Edit: While Only OSR or really retro stuff gets respect around these parts, D&D 3e is 20 years old. 20 Years old and receiving some form of support or another. Its had decades to iron out kinks, have houserules made, rules modified and customized. 3rd party, 1st party, 2nd party.

It has plenty of detractors (for good reason), but those that like it are going to be hard pressed to move on (from their piles and piles of existing materials) unless that new stuff is top notch.

Has it been that long? It's time for a 3rd Era Renaissance (or whatever the "R" in OSR stands for.)

3ER!

Quote from: Aglondir;1143110Bash away! We need a "5E fucking sucks" thread.

My issue with 5e is that I find it the least ambitious of them all. It makes most happy by being a tepid 'in-between' but by not doing anything uniquely.....TOO bad, it also doesn't do anything super good, and especially anything uniquely good.

Quote from: Shasarak;1142871How ever they are releasing a Pro-Police Adventure path into the teeth of full woke cancel culture though so the future looks grim and perilous.

Wait... are you saying the future looks like

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Quote from: Aglondir;1143113Wait... are you saying the future looks like

Yes but with less white people and more black trans non binaries, you biggot.

Quote from: Aglondir;1143111Has it been that long? It's time for a 3rd Era Renaissance (or whatever the "R" in OSR stands for.)

3ER!

3ER FTW!

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1143112My issue with 5e is that I find it the least ambitious of them all. It makes most happy by being a tepid 'in-between' but by not doing anything uniquely.....TOO bad, it also doesn't do anything super good, and especially anything uniquely good.

Yup, it's a game made for this era: Built to offend NOBODY, and bland, like a pack of expired saltines.

Probably why it's become so popular.

Quote from: LiferGamer;1142925members of minority or marginalized communities that haven't always been welcome

That is a racist lie. Not a dime from me until they apologize for it.

Quote from: Jaeger;1143085Uncle Jaeger is here all week to answer your pleas for help, and drop wisdom speaking real truth to power on why the Made of Fail RPG you are currently running Fucking Sucks.

Is there a rpg other than d20 that didn't suck and not a homebrew?

Quote from: VisionStorm;1143121Yup, it's a game made for this era: Built to offend NOBODY, and bland, like a pack of expired saltines.

Probably why it's become so popular.

Id play 5e over 4e, but I respect 4e more. In its own twisted way, it was trying to address complaints about 3e and focus the game on what it thought people wanted. It's the Dietakana of D&D.
"D&D 4e is about to make you his bitch!" said the brazen commercials literally shitting on people they disagreed with. "You want to play gnomes? THEY SUCK! TIEFLINGS RULE GNOMES DROOL!"

It's also popular because of timing. With Stranger things and the brief popularity of online tabletop game streams (where the polls say people just wanna hear a story and if the rolls go a bad way to disregard them). I don't see 5e being this popular in 2005, even with D&D branding.

Quote from: VisionStorm;11431213ER FTW!
Yup, it's a game made for this era: Built to offend NOBODY, and bland, like a pack of expired saltines.

Boy, given some threads on some boards (on both sides of the fence), I'm not sure you can really say that.......

I was considering the Bundle, but the artwork in the corebook is... ridiculous. Distracting. Childish. There might be a good game in there, but wow that's awful. No thanks.

Savage Worlds is okay, aside from the latest edition not innovating anything from prior editions. I feel like the Savage Worlds ecosystem has gone really stale. They basically just kickstart 'reloaded' versions of popular prior settings these days. I guess that can toss it into the "fucking sucks" zone. Has there even been any interesting third party settings for the system in the last couple years? Cypher has been getting some interesting material, but it's a love it or hate it system with weird settings. It's getting a couple nice stock fantasy settings soon. Licensed RPGs are essentially dead now. FFG Star Wars was selling okay by all accounts, but who knows if that'll be around next year with FFG laying off their RPG division.

So yeah, it's not like PF2 has had much competition and 5e seems to be sucking the air out of the 'watered down version of the D&D your dad played' room.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1143107Mediocre to sub-par. Neat engine, sucky execution. And I am the mechanically minded demographic. This is too little too late and still reeks of insular design. Its more Pathfinder for people that liked vanilla pathfinder. For people that wanted more, or only used Pathfinder as a launching point its sub-par and mediocre. Which doesn't cut it as a transitional engine.

I would disagree.  My campaign has been going for about a year now and I have been surprised at the depth of the game even, as you say, with the vanilla rules presented in the core rule book.  My Party is at 10th level and the game is hanging together nicely.

Quote from: Shasarak;1143146I would disagree.  My campaign has been going for about a year now and I have been surprised at the depth of the game even, as you say, with the vanilla rules presented in the core rule book.  My Party is at 10th level and the game is hanging together nicely.

I've converted my PF1 group over to PF2 (we were playing AD&D 2ed before that) and we are having a blast.   I started them off as kids doing fun stuff around the village and now they are grown up and are rooting out a cult that is trying to take over the area.   I will never use their settings or adventures.  Just the rule books and bestiary's for me