Quick search on Amazon shows the publication date as Aug 1, 2019. I played it once and I can't recall a damn thing about it, except 3 actions per round (?) How are things going?

They just released the Advanced Players Guide for Gen Con.

There is also a Humble Bundle with most of the 2e stuff up at the moment (for another 2 days).

How ever they are releasing a Pro-Police Adventure path into the teeth of full woke cancel culture though so the future looks grim and perilous.

Quote from: Shasarak;1142871How ever they are releasing a Pro-Police Adventure path into the teeth of full woke cancel culture though so the future looks grim and perilous.

Their apology for doing so was so pathetic imo. It was like watching a mobster movie where the low level flunky has to beg for his life from the Godfather for having done nothing wrong.

Other than needing release something new just to have something new, why was PF2E necessary? I tend to like the first edition, I don't really see any big issues with it personally.

Quote from: Cigalazade;1142885Other than needing release something new just to have something new, why was PF2E necessary? I tend to like the first edition, I don't really see any big issues with it personally.

Nothing wrong with playing 1st edition.  Paizo is still selling the books if you need some more.

Quote from: Shasarak;1142889Nothing wrong with playing 1st edition.  Paizo is still selling the books if you need some more.

I see they still have what seems like a glut (?) of first edition books...

Quote from: Cigalazade;1142890I see they still have what seems like a glut (?) of first edition books...

I guess if you print 1e books for 10 years then you probably accumulate some stock (?) in your warehouse.

In any case they said that they will still sell books as long as there are people buying them.

There's a decent thread on ENworld: "Release Day Second Edition Amazon Sales Rank" Where a guy tracked PF2 sales vs. what PF1 did vs. 5e before PF2 was announced.

I don't think anyone at Baizuo was so much as dreaming of even getting close to 5e, the way that they did with 4e.

But I do think that it is reasonable to assume they were hoping to reverse the steady decline that PF1 was having by revitalizing their fanbase with an exiting new edition.

Pulling PF1 groups back into the fold who had left for 5e or other games. And giving them a healthy bump for an overall different sales trajectory.

Given the data that we have; I think that it is a reasonable educated guess to say that PF2 failed to do that.

Anecdotally - PF1 still has a bigger presence on virtual table top online platforms than PF2. And Paizo currently employs it's largest staff ever...

What exactly all that will mean for Baizuo in the long run? ... Who the fuck knows.


That being said:

IMHO, even if PF2 did not live up to Baizuo's goals and expectations, they still greatly benefit from the fact that All their nearest would-be competitors games Fucking Suck.

Shadowrun 6e Fucking Sucks. The new edition of Champions Fucking Sucks. And no one seems capable of making a Marvel or DC licensed game that does not Fucking Suck. Vampire 5e Fucking Sucks. RuneQuest has a decent system, but Gorlantha always and forever Fucking Sucks. CoC 7th  - same as CoC 6th with more woke = Fucking Sucks. And nobody plays Traveller anymore. (It always Fucking Sucked...)

Hot evergreen RPG properties like Conan, Star Wars, and Lord of the Rings, are all tied to game systems that Fucking Suck.

(Except for AiME - because people love their 5e compatibility...)

There is Savage Worlds. But it Fucking Sucks.

Steve Jackson Games? Dungeon Fantasy and TFT releases would have gone over like gangbusters... In 1989. Done for the old fans, not getting any new fans = Fucking Sucks.

Without exception* every single viable RPG property from the 80's to mid 90's that could contend for the #2 spot behind D&D have all been mis-managed straight into utter and complete Mega Fucking Sucktitude.

And no OSR game has achieved sufficient popularity to rise above the noise to even break into Baizuo's peripheral vision...

Honestly, given their solid market position as a perennial #2 since 4e came out; it seems that Baizuo will have to hit a few more own goals before another competitor even has a chance to get in the game.



*(Unless you live in Japan, which means that if you are not playing either Call of Culthulu or Sword World; your favorite game Fucking Sucks.)

I'd buy Jaeger a nice apple cider to go with all that 'hop'ping bitterness. The rant was delicious and needs refreshment to catch its breath and get its second wind. Go on, tell us more about Paizo!

Quote from: Opaopajr;1142899I'd buy Jaeger a nice apple cider to go with all that 'hop'ping bitterness. The rant was delicious and needs refreshment to catch its breath and get its second wind. Go on, tell us more about Paizo!

I never let my emotions cloud my judgement when I am speaking Truth to Power.

Because Truth is Truth.

Savage Worlds really Fucking Sucks.

Blimey, imagine what would happen if Jaeger told us how he really felt about some of those games! :-)
I've played Starfinder, but not PF2. Starfinder was ok, nothing great, but ok. No one I know is playing or running PF2. And that's about 5 or 6 GMs and their groups.

Quote from: Shasarak;1142891I guess if you print 1e books for 10 years then you probably accumulate some stock (?) in your warehouse.

In any case they said that they will still sell books as long as there are people buying them.

Paizo promised to continue printing the Core books for 1E in softcover format, as long as the demand is there.  Probably the Core Rulebook, Bestiary, Advanced Player's Guide, and Gamemastery Guide.

Quote from: Opaopajr;1142899I'd buy Jaeger a nice apple cider to go with all that 'hop'ping bitterness. The rant was delicious and needs refreshment to catch its breath and get its second wind. Go on, tell us more about Paizo!

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Quote from: spon;1142910Blimey, imagine what would happen if Jaeger told us how he really felt about some of those games! :-)
I've played Starfinder, but not PF2. Starfinder was ok, nothing great, but ok. No one I know is playing or running PF2. And that's about 5 or 6 GMs and their groups.

Starfinder plays like some homebrew sci-fi crap bolted onto a modified PF system. Seriously.

I don't think Paizo spent much time playtesting either the core game, or the Dead Suns adventure path, because my group managed to derail things a couple times by doing something which seemed logical.

I politely disagree with Savage Worlds sucking, but it DOES take a little getting used to and the probability matrix goes right out the window because while it's easier to hit a TN with a larger dice, it's harder to ace (roll max, which lets you roll again while keeping the maxed roll).

Then again, I am playing Rifts with SW, so I guess SW looks good compared to Palladium...