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"We need something different.  We need something that will ring through the ages, that will set us apart.  We need something that will force the buying public to sit up and take notice; that will forever divide roleplaying into "before Spelljammer" and "after Spelljammer", separated by the thin, hard line of our game."

"What about British Space Hippos?"

"Print it."

I do recognize the bad rep that anything vaguely furry has in our hobby. Take Mongoose's OGL Steampunk as an example. There's a character option to play "hybrids" which are basically a sort of extention of The Island Dr. Moreau. I ran a short campaign of it, and the players were all up in arms that I ignore those races in my setting. Argh. I myself thought it would've been a cool option.

Of course, they also objected to the elves and dwarves and vampires and ghosts. So maybe it wasn't just a furry thing.

Quote from: el diablo roboticoI do recognize the bad rep that anything vaguely furry has in our hobby. Take Mongoose's OGL Steampunk as an example. There's a character option to play "hybrids" which are basically a sort of extention of The Island Dr. Moreau. I ran a short campaign of it, and the players were all up in arms that I ignore those races in my setting. Argh. I myself thought it would've been a cool option.

Of course, they also objected to the elves and dwarves and vampires and ghosts. So maybe it wasn't just a furry thing.

It likely wasn't.  Public awareness of the furry fandom and its associated erotica, despite certain media coverage, is really rather low. The only objections I've ever heard about this sort of stuff has been from forum posters and other heavy internet users.

I personally think those reactions are unreasonable anyway.  They're as nonsensical as racism or schoolyard cries of "cooties!"  The vargr have about as much relation to Doug Winger artwork as a peanut butter and jam sandwich has to do with italian cuisine.  I mean, yeah they're both anthropomorphic animal depictions, but really...

Or conversely some people express how they feel about something they don't like. Just because I don't like something doesn't make me unreasonable. It's not like I am out there beating furverts up, or actively seeking them to humiliate them.

I just don't like them.

When it comes to my[/u] shadowrun game there is no place for furry, in any incarnation. My players and I stopped playing TMNT almost about the time we picked up Shadowrun, 1989. Furry, and anime don't belong in our version of the game. (Technically speaking we also frown on a lot of the punk elements. Basically our game is a much grittier, adult game. where as Shadowrun as a whole is designed to be available to a variety of age groups.)

And we're vocal about it, because we spend our money on the game, and our time. As such we will ask for the things we want. Sometimes we're lucky and we get them. Sometimes we're not.

I do think who ever it was, in this thread, that mentioned there's a difference between furry lovers (Your average TMNT fan) versus a Furvert. (A lot of people whom I see on the internet, but have thankfully never had to meet in real life.)

I don't like halflings, but I don't get up in arms and throw some big hissy fit about games with them in.

But hey, whatever floats your boat man.

And if folks are seriously going to start making stupid labels like "furvert" (which, btw, was used by the fandom a long time back anyway) I'll gladly call myself such.

Quote from: RedFoxIt likely wasn't.  Public awareness of the furry fandom and its associated erotica, despite certain media coverage, is really rather low. The only objections I've ever heard about this sort of stuff has been from forum posters and other heavy internet users.

No, there was definitely an awareness of furriness in that group. And there were complaints of "I'm not playing a Furry!"

It's just that there were also complaints of "Why do they have to put Tolkien races in a Steampunk setting!"

So it was a combination of anti-furry and anti-stereotype-fantasy-races.

Quote from: RedFoxI don't like halflings, but I don't get up in arms and throw some big hissy fit about games with them in.

I'd pick Monte Cook's animal dudes over halflings any day of the week.

QuoteAnd if folks are seriously going to start making stupid labels like "furvert" I'll gladly call myself such.

I honestly am not trying to harsh on anyone's kink here.  If you can give me a better way to distinguish people on the furry continuum, I'll use it.

Quote from: jrientsI honestly am not trying to harsh on anyone's kink here.  If you can give me a better way to distinguish people on the furry continuum, I'll use it.

I don't think sub-divisions or labels are necessary.  Furry fans are self-identified.  If you've got a particular aspect of the fandom you don't like (general you here), it doesn't hurt to point out precisely what it is rather than talking about people that you don't even know.

I feel that people are more than one idea, one feature such as sexual orientation, skin color, what type of music they like, their fascination with erotic pictures of Minerva Mink, or what they do with their hobby time.  They should be judged by who they are, on their individual merits in total.

Quote from: RedFoxI feel that people are more than one idea, one feature such as sexual orientation, skin color, what type of music they like, their fascination with erotic pictures of Minerva Mink, or what they do with their hobby time.  They should be judged by who they are, on their individual merits in total.

I reserve the right to judge rapists, child molesters and a few things people do just on those facts alone. I'm just sayin'.

You know, we wouldn't have any of these problems if it weren't for those gay-ass Ancient Egyptian pussies!

Obviously anyone who has animal-headed people in their folklore or mythology is completely lame!

-O

Quote from: WilI reserve the right to judge rapists, child molesters and a few things people do just on those facts alone. I'm just sayin'.

Rapists and child molesters do not have a harmless kink or hobby.  Furries do.

I'm a furry fan. I'm not interested in the sex stuff /at all./

(And get this was even a member of a Christian Furry mailing list for a while: There ya go Pundit...MY "sins!" *LOL*)

One of my biggest issues with furry is that really animals aren't sexual like humans, they simply aren't--they're territorial, they mate to breed (mostly, a few do more), etc--so if people REALLY were furry, their would be LESS sex IMO. The sex stuff comes from the human side, somewhere.

When my Pulp furry game gets on track, it won't have anymore sex than pulp novels. Maybe LESS.

I'm not a furry and I find the whole thing pretty ooky.

One of my (thankfully long ex-)girlfriends was into that kind of thing, and she went through a phase where she was dealing with a lot of weirdass "otherkin" stuff.

Google for it.  It's wacky.  It makes past-life experiences, alien abductions, and other foofy mystical junk seem positively ... well, okay, still insane.

Those are the sorts of Furries I have a problem with, and it's for all the same reasons that I have a problem with new-agers, astrologers, etc.  It's a goofy-ass belief system, and my opinion for someone drops when I know that they subscribe to it.


However, I do think that anyone who insists any animal-headed humanoid is somehow "furry" in nature is quite possibly retarded.  I mean, that would make ancient Egypt and most Native American tribes full of furries.  It's ridiculous.

From a gaming perspective, anyone who honestly thinks Arcana Evolved's Litorians and Sibeccai are in any way "furries" was probably dropped on their head as a kid.

-O

Wil, let's not bring in any implicit comparisons between clearcut criminal types and folks who like to take a walk on the wildside.  That probably wasn't your intent, but let's not go anywhere near there nonetheless.

Quote from: obrynHowever, I do think that anyone who insists any animal-headed humanoid is somehow "furry" in nature is quite possibly retarded.  I mean, that would make ancient Egypt and most Native American tribes full of furries.  It's ridiculous.

From a gaming perspective, anyone who honestly thinks Arcana Evolved's Litorians and Sibeccai are in any way "furries" was probably dropped on their head as a kid.

-O

They're furry in that they're anthropomorphic animals, and furries are anthropomorphic animals.

If you don't understand that, you're quite possibly retarded.