Thought some of you here might like this epic tome. If you like OSR D&D and FASERIP! Clocks in at over 450 pages.

https://www.pr.com/press-release/894015

I'm liking it so far!! 

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on August 20, 2023, 08:31:36 AM
Thought some of you here might like this epic tome. If you like OSR D&D and FASERIP! Clocks in at over 450 pages.

https://www.pr.com/press-release/894015

Can you give some examples of, mechanically speaking, how char creation and combat work?

I'm curious because D&D and FASERIP are vastly different systems.

Quote from: Grognard GM on August 20, 2023, 12:51:45 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on August 20, 2023, 08:31:36 AM
Thought some of you here might like this epic tome. If you like OSR D&D and FASERIP! Clocks in at over 450 pages.

https://www.pr.com/press-release/894015

Can you give some examples of, mechanically speaking, how char creation and combat work?

I'm curious because D&D and FASERIP are vastly different systems.

Will do! I've only just got it and I had to work this weekend. So I'll give you some info when I've gone through it.

Quote from: Grognard GM on August 20, 2023, 12:51:45 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on August 20, 2023, 08:31:36 AM
Thought some of you here might like this epic tome. If you like OSR D&D and FASERIP! Clocks in at over 450 pages.

https://www.pr.com/press-release/894015

Can you give some examples of, mechanically speaking, how char creation and combat work?

I'm curious because D&D and FASERIP are vastly different systems.

I picked it up, too (I'm a sucker for some FASERIP).  I'll put something up tomorrow or so...

I assume it's just the FASERIP rules with... D&D Fantasy stuff tossed in? Not sure what the draw is (of course I'd need to see it). There are fan-made PDF's for most of the D&D Monster Manual catalog, including setting specific ones that are all statted for FASERIP. Not sure what this game is bringing to the table that couldn't be done with a simple use of the rules as written with the ginormous amount of fan material out there.

I've said for decades, that FASERIP could do epic fantasy that D&D couldn't hope to achieve in terms of scale and power. Nice to see someone pulled the trigger on it. I'll be interested to see if he tries to tweak the mechanics. As someone currently running FASERIP right now, I have a lot of my own homebrewed rules that I've used for many years now to fill in some perceived holes in the mechanics. I'm always on the lookout for some new ideas.

Jesus Christ... his website is a disaster, it doesn't even have anything on it and looks horribly unprofessional. I can't find any meaningful examples of the work except for the "Conversion" PDF... which looks bad in its presentation. I can see he changed the ranking names... but his examples are... eehhhhhhh. This looks like some low-grade fan-work. Which is a real shame. The Unofficial Marvel Superheroes team makes *stellar* content with excellent production, and it's all freeeeeeee.

I'm dubious. But I'll wait to see what you guys that plunked down your gold have to say.

Quote from: tenbones on August 21, 2023, 10:17:01 AM
Jesus Christ... his website is a disaster, it doesn't even have anything on it and looks horribly unprofessional. I can't find any meaningful examples of the work except for the "Conversion" PDF... which looks bad in its presentation. I can see he changed the ranking names... but his examples are... eehhhhhhh. This looks like some low-grade fan-work. Which is a real shame. The Unofficial Marvel Superheroes team makes *stellar* content with excellent production, and it's all freeeeeeee.

I'm dubious. But I'll wait to see what you guys that plunked down your gold have to say.

Someone who hasn't bought or read it and visits a website once sure has a lot to say

I'm glad you like the Marvel Unofficial Canon content, I used to contribute to it all the time I never did understand how canon can be unofficial though.

EPIC FANTASY is a complete conversion of srd to FASERIPopedia's expanded FASERIP rules. Karma replaces xp. So you can spend Karma on self improvement of various kinds, including buying levels as desired. There is also an Origin chart, Limitations and Powers - the Powers being Race based special abilities and similar culled from the srd itself. It is a lot more - a LOT more than just creating FASERIP stat blocks for monsters. That defeats the whole purpose. EPIC FANTASY changes both the focus and the ethos of the srd to one of high adventure, open-ended power levels and the possibilities of accurately reflecting what actual epic fantasy stories are like. No more wargamey "balance" which is nothing of the sort. "low level" characters might have high ability scores or other aces to play, in the same way Frodo beat Sauron or Aragorn skipped around avoiding impossible odds at Pelennor Fields and so on.

The DriveThru digital version page contains the complete index, but this is a 452 page book PACKED with rules from the srd adapted and changed to fit FASERIP while keeping the flavor as close as possible. Where the srd is recreating boneheaded Gygaxian nonsense it's gone; where it offers a classic dungeoneering flavor or overland adventures, it's been retained.

Quote from: FASERIPopedia on August 21, 2023, 06:50:14 PM
Someone who hasn't bought or read it and visits a website once sure has a lot to say

I took a look at the preview on Amazon, and I'm going to be bluntly honest with you - the rules could be un-fucking-believably good, but I'll never get through reading it because of the layout. It's nigh unreadable. Even the table of contents is a wall of text.

I wish you nothing but success, so please consider this as well-intentioned feedback for something that could be improved upon. It's a product I'd probably be interested in if my eyes didn't feel like they wanted to slice themselves open trying to read the book.

Quote from: shoplifter on August 21, 2023, 09:53:23 PM

Quote from: FASERIPopedia on August 21, 2023, 06:50:14 PM
Someone who hasn't bought or read it and visits a website once sure has a lot to say

I took a look at the preview on Amazon, and I'm going to be bluntly honest with you - the rules could be un-fucking-believably good, but I'll never get through reading it because of the layout. It's nigh unreadable. Even the table of contents is a wall of text.

I wish you nothing but success, so please consider this as well-intentioned feedback for something that could be improved upon. It's a product I'd probably be interested in if my eyes didn't feel like they wanted to slice themselves open trying to read the book.

Have a look inside the book, on DriveThru before making your final decision. Or did Amazon provide some sort of preview too? Amazon has so many issues I'm always just glad when we get a book published there let alone seeing if they have actually put the sales page out correctly

In terms of walls of text - I don't think there's anything especially remarkable about the formatting, it's designed for maximum compatibility ie phones and tablets as well print. But - we all have our likes and dislikes

Edit to add - what you refer to as the wall of text contents is because our policy is to list all sections of a page in the contents, making it an index as well. In a 452 page complete game rulebook that is more necessary than ever. But as I said - horses for courses, it's not for everyone

Quote from: FASERIPopedia on August 21, 2023, 06:50:14 PM
Someone who hasn't bought or read it and visits a website once sure has a lot to say

Yes. Because between seeing this thread, I am fully capable of having a thought, then looking into the product, and having another thought after that. You should take that as constructive criticism as someone trying to sell me a product.

Quote from: FASERIPopedia on August 21, 2023, 06:50:14 PMI'm glad you like the Marvel Unofficial Canon content, I used to contribute to it all the time I never did understand how canon can be unofficial though.

Then you miss the tongue-in-cheek joke of it. I'm glad you're glad for me. I do not require it, but I'll accept it.

Quote from: FASERIPopedia on August 21, 2023, 06:50:14 PMEPIC FANTASY is a complete conversion of srd to FASERIPopedia's expanded FASERIP rules. Karma replaces xp. So you can spend Karma on self improvement of various kinds, including buying levels as desired. There is also an Origin chart, Limitations and Powers - the Powers being Race based special abilities and similar culled from the srd itself. It is a lot more - a LOT more than just creating FASERIP stat blocks for monsters. That defeats the whole purpose. EPIC FANTASY changes both the focus and the ethos of the srd to one of high adventure, open-ended power levels and the possibilities of accurately reflecting what actual epic fantasy stories are like. No more wargamey "balance" which is nothing of the sort. "low level" characters might have high ability scores or other aces to play, in the same way Frodo beat Sauron or Aragorn skipped around avoiding impossible odds at Pelennor Fields and so on.

Karma is XP in the standard FASERIP rules *already*. I make no claim for what your product *does* - I looked at your website which was linked from the article which ostensibly is there to help PROMOTE your product. Maybe you should put a better free preview of what exactly your book does that the standard (and free) FASERIP rules does not do. What I was able to cull made little sense - your Rank names changed, there were no examples in the free preview of whether the Universal Chart was different. Unless you're telling me I'm supposed to go to your SRD and figure that out first before I give you money for a book I may not even need? Seems like a strange way to market a product to someone that is *100%* your targeted demographic.

Quote from: FASERIPopedia on August 21, 2023, 06:50:14 PMThe DriveThru digital version page contains the complete index, but this is a 452 page book PACKED with rules from the srd adapted and changed to fit FASERIP while keeping the flavor as close as possible. Where the srd is recreating boneheaded Gygaxian nonsense it's gone; where it offers a classic dungeoneering flavor or overland adventures, it's been retained.

Do you have have some actual examples for us to see? I'm interested, but this response isn't exactly winning me over. And if that's okay with you, then it's okay with me too.

Quote from: FASERIPopedia on August 21, 2023, 06:50:14 PMboneheaded Gygaxian nonsense

What a great way to market a product, directly insult people who play D&D. I mean, you can do whatever you want, but it's probably better to avoid this sort of thing...

452 pages is NOT a selling point.

Quote from: Brad on August 22, 2023, 12:10:29 PM
What a great way to market a product, directly insult people who play D&D. I mean, you can do whatever you want, but it's probably better to avoid this sort of thing...

Isn't that WoTC's whole business model at this point?

Quote from: Spinachcat on August 23, 2023, 03:22:40 AM
452 pages is NOT a selling point.

My copy of the Advanced Players Guide clocks in at 92-pages. If I removed the fluff, and art, I could probably get it down to 60-pages. The Judges Book clocks in at 63-pages. If you remove the Stat-blocs for NPC's... it clocks in at 22-pages.

If I removed the art - I could probably trim another 2-pages off.

I'm not saying that the MSH rules couldn't use some extra oomph. I have my own list of rules modifications that I've developed over these decades of *constant play* (I'm running an MSH campaign right now in fact). But even my house-rules document is 5-pages.

If I were doing a D&D-style Fantasy version of MSH, I can guarantee you, I could recreate 1e D&D with FASERIP rules in less than 20-pages.

Quote from: tenbones on August 23, 2023, 10:57:59 AM
I could recreate 1e D&D with FASERIP rules in less than 20-pages.

You could but this release is way more than just 1e. It's way beyond that in terms of content. Check the index and you'll see a lot more character options, etc.

It's basically a tool kit like FASERIPopedia but geared to old-school fantasy. Take what you want or not as the case may be.