Quote from: GrimJesta;236263Side note: What the fuck is up with the Elf on page 8? Look at these friggin' ears! It looks like the lame World of Warcraft fan art you see on DeviantArt.com.

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After this I saw the stupid Barbarian art and promptly deleted the file. Maybe the system is good. And I still repect the fact that they're continuing the 3.x line. But fuck the art. Seriously. Last time I saw a sword that stupid looking was Final Fantasy VII.

First off, I agree with you on the anime/CRPG-infulenced art -- it does nothing for me and looks ridiculous in my eyes.  Not all of the art is as absurd as those ears and that sword, though.  The pictures of the cleric and the monk are great.

Second, and perhaps more importantly, my son loves the art in Patfinder.  At age 9, he's arguably the future of RPGs, so the fact that the art is appealing to him instead of a crusty old oncewas like me is a plus for the game.

As with so many things in life, you take the good with the bad.

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Fuck all a y'all.  That Elf Rogue iconic is the coolest elf I ever saw in an RPG.  All alien and shit, with creepy eyes that remind me of greys . . .

Fuckin' bitchass fantasy clones should be killing for elves that cool.

Quote from: J Arcane;236321Fuck all a y'all.  That Elf Rogue iconic is the coolest elf I ever saw in an RPG.  All alien and shit, with creepy eyes that remind me of greys . . .

Different from the one on p.8.  I agree, though, the Elf Rogue is supa-spooky.  The Gnome Druid puts an interesting and creepy spin on gnomes, too.

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Quote from: Caesar Slaad;236266And thank goodness for that. What an ill conceived idea. A tracking headache and gamefun cockblock to boot (what do you mean I can't use my furious leap and awesome strike in the same round?)

I think the original idea was based on the concept of Stances from Book of Nine Swords, and in some ways it made sense.  Not being able to use Combat Expertise and Power Attack in the same attack combo makes a certain amount of sense.  It also simplifies certain tracking issues: instead of tryingt o remember which of my twelve feats applies, I just have to remember what the feat I'm using now does.

But I'm on the fence.  I see value in both ways of doing it.

Unrelated, I just got the Beta in the mail today.

It's really nice.  Really, really nice.

Quote from: GrimJesta;236263Side note: What the fuck is up with the Elf on page 8? Look at these friggin' ears! It looks like the lame World of Warcraft fan art you see on DeviantArt.com. I really hate, and I mean HATE the effect manga/anime has had on RPG art. Fuckin' Elf looks retarded with those ears...

They promise they'll have new art for the final, and that piece will be redone.  The elf in particular annoys a lot of people.  But the long ears are there to stay.  Also, fuck you and your "manga" bullshit.  You ever read ElfQuest?  HUGE POINTY EARS.  NOT MANGA.  How about Poison Elves?  HUGE POINTY EARS.  NOT MANGA.  Seen the movie Wizards?  HUGE POINTY EARS. NOT ANIME.  The fucking Japanese did not invent huge pointy ears on elves, AMERICAN FANTASY ILLUSTRATORS DID IN THE 70'S.  They copied US.

God that gets on my nerves.

QuoteEDIT: After this I saw the stupid Barbarian art and promptly deleted the file. Maybe the system is good. And I still repect the fact that they're continuing the 3.x line. But fuck the art. Seriously. Last time I saw a sword that stupid looking was Final Fantasy VII.

If this is true, and not hyperbole, then you're a moron.  Seriously. A MORON.  One picture you don'tlike, so therefore the whole game is ruined for you?  What kind of fucking infantile bullshit is that?  I've NEVER played a game where I universally liked every piece of art.  You just ignore the art you don't like, and find inspiration in the art you do like.

Seriously man, cut off your nose to spite your face much?

That's an awesome example of what an incredibly wealthy world of gaming we live in, that we can afford to discard a game simply because of a single illustration.

Quote from: walkerp;236514That's an awesome example of what an incredibly wealthy world of gaming we live in, that we can afford to discard a game simply because of a single illustration.

I printed it out so I could wipe myself with that particular page, and light my cigar with the spells chapter.

Y'know, I'm not a fan of Lejenta (or whatever the f***) style elves, either. But seriously... I think that's being just a LEETLE neurotic over the art.

I'm an old guy, and i like all that crazy new art, especially the big swords and the occasional super labia. Bad art to me is art that is poorly executed, not art that doesn't fit my exact sensibilities.

That said, whenever you invoke Wizards to support an argument, you are automatically wrong.

Quote from: Jackalope;236512Seriously man, cut off your nose to spite your face much?

"Much"?  I mean, how many times can you cut your nose off?

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Quote from: walkerp;236514That's an awesome example of what an incredibly wealthy world of gaming we live in, that we can afford to discard a game simply because of a single illustration.

You get the Pollyanna Award.

Quote from: Ian Absentia;236577"Much"?  I mean, how many times can you cut your nose off?

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This is a question that only Michael Jackson can really answer.

Quote from: Ian Absentia;236577"Much"?  I mean, how many times can you cut your nose off?

Quite a few, as long as it's your metaphorical nose.